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I keep hearing about free will, but an omniscient god would know of these betrayals before they occurred. And in the case of Judas, Jesus selected him to be a disciple. Why should anyone believe these betrayals were not part of the plan all along? God/Jesus could not have been fooled this often.

2006-10-04 13:01:24 · 24 answers · asked by bobkgins_sock_puppet_1 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Jesus said this, even before Judas betrayed Him: "Jesus answered them, "I chose you twelve, didn't I? Yet one of you is a devil." Now he was speaking about Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. For this man, even though he was one of the twelve, was going to betray him." (John 6:70-71)

Jesus knew way before who it was that would betray Him, and He allow it so that the prophecy would be fulfilled. God is not at all surprised by betrayal. But, as it is written: "And we know that he works all things together for the good of those who love God, who are called according to his purpose." (Romans 8:28) He allows all things, including betrayal, to serve His purposes.

2006-10-04 13:08:28 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Judas among the disciples of Jesus is the one so outspoken about the use of perfume which could have been sold with a higher price. God nor Jesus could not be fooled but there is choice for Judas which was laid to him, Money or give Jesus up. If he chose Jesus instead of money, someone angry enough will still point the whereabouts of Jesus. There is a life in the world that everyone has to accomplished either the world will be blessed or will be cursed. Each choice we made will certainly have an effect to things around us. Judas could have made another choice and Jesus may been saved and probably the fear of the Roman could have been realized. ...That the Jews will again experience the time of Exodus when they were taken out of bondage from the rule of Egypt and this time it was Rome.
Jesus was given a mission by God to keep the lost sheep of Israel back to its Old laws and he was not successful. Instead of having God known to the world completely, His name and His laws, Jesus is the one now being idolized as God not just the Son of God. There is no betrayal on the part of Christianity, there was a deception. God just simply knows that for any of the choices that his subject will do, corresponding effect will happen.

2006-10-04 13:29:23 · answer #2 · answered by Rallie Florencio C 7 · 0 0

God is Ominscient and all these what you called betrayal are already known by Him to happen along the way. So he had planned a way of redemption if not a way that whenever that thing happen and it will bound to happen, it will just pave the way for His great plan. Example, Adma and Eves partaking of the fruit of the forbidden tree. Does that make us feel bad. In a way its bad because it cause the fall from Grace, that all Adam children and children are now separated from Gods presence. But wait if it did not happen where there would be human? as Adam and Eve begun to have children only when they discover they were naked after the eating of the fruit. Their innocence was removed that very moment, But still having us now born out of Adams transgression would make us unable to return to his presence. So what he did was to send a saviour- Jesus Christ/ But Christ mortal teaching cannot just do it and Judas came into the scene. He had Him sold but that only lead to the fulfillment of the sacrifice Christ to offer his life. For every evil ways done, a plan is made to instead turn it to mankind's blessings

2006-10-04 13:12:54 · answer #3 · answered by domule 2 · 1 0

God is all knowing He has been knowing what will take place before the foundations of this earth. Before Jesus descended from heaven, in the old testament, the prophets would for-tell of this coming Messiah and say that he would be betrayed. Any then it happened, it had to happen because it says in the Bible that God is not a man that he should lie or a son of man that would have to repent and it also says that his word will not return unto him void. So if God said in the beginning that Jesus would be betrayed and he would be crucified and rise on the 3rd day it has to happen because he said it. He knew that Satan would try to overthrow the heavens, he even know that you are going to say or think before you do. He knew you where going to ask this question.

2006-10-04 13:36:10 · answer #4 · answered by Singingmama 2 · 0 0

Of course God knew before they occurred but by allowing free will He is doing just that - allowing free will.

If God intervened and stopped these events then he would be going against peoples ability to exercise their free will.

The betrayal by Judas was prophecied down to how many coins he would betray Jesus for - proof that God foreknew but he did not stop Judas exercising the freewill he had been given.

2006-10-04 13:05:26 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

I believe God created time. I believe God does not "predict the future", he states what He is going to do. Our free will comes into play and God affects that will or desire to work in his plan.

Case in point:
When Moses led the Isrealites from Egyptian captivity, God hardened Pharoah's heart after every plague "in order that His glory may be shown through Pharoah". And so he did show his glory through Pharoah.

Nothing happens in the universe without first being created by God. He created time. Time is real to us, but is God's creation, so he gave us "free will" and for that matter angels too in order that we might choose to love Him back. It should also be known that God creates and alters through His spoken word. "Let there be light" and so on. Truth and reality are the spoken will of God. He made us to react with him. He made time for our reality. Why create something that you would already know would not work. It is not his lack of knowlege, it's his desire to let us choose Him instead of just speaking it so we will. Then it would not be a choice and it could not be love.

God gave Adam and Eve the free will in order to choose him. They were decieved by Lucifer who also chose to deny God. The future is ultimately the will of God. How his will is obtained depends on how he chooses to affect our free will, but he never forces anyone to love him, or even follow his will for that matter. We do what we choose. God uses it for his desire for us.

If our future already exists, then we are destined. If we are destined, we cannot change that. If we cannot change our destiny, we do not truly have free will. If God created an athiest and knew that he would never accept or love Him, why would he have done it at all?

God is omniscient or "all knowing", but he knows all that he has created and all that he has planned, not what we will choose to do unless he decides to directly influence our choices.

The prediction of Jesus as a messiah were probably very confusing to the Jews before he explained it to them. One prophet talked of a king and another of a humble man. Both were right, but his kingdom was not of this world. It makes since now, but that's why the Pharisees rejected him as the messiah, they were waiting for a king.

Things we view as contradiction are just misunderstandings. God is still in control.

2006-10-04 13:32:52 · answer #6 · answered by RedE1 3 · 0 0

The Old testiment told the story of Judas, and his betrayel of Jesus, before Jesus ever came to earth.I guess everything was for a reason,what happened to Judas was true, but also teaching us, showing us that If we didn`t watch we could end up doing the same thing Judas did. If we follow men, and try to please men, instead of God, we are men pleasers, we have to be honest with man, if they ask a question, and we tell them what they want to hear, instead of the truth, we are men pleasers, we tickle their ears, but have done nothing to win their souls to God, and our purpose here is to win souls to Christ, lead them to God.

2006-10-04 13:14:56 · answer #7 · answered by theladylooking 4 · 1 0

How come parents know excatly what their child is going to do, yet still let the child do the wrong when they [parents] knew excatly what their child was doing was wrong?

A lot of times when this happens, it is to teach the child a lesson and in the hopes that the child learns what is wrong and right. When the child learns and realizes their mistake (wrong) he or she made from the consequences brought on by their parents, the child will, by the hopes of the parents, grow closer to them [parents].

It works the same way with God. God gives us the freewill to do both right and wrong (even though He knows excatly what we are going to do) in the hopes that we learn from the wrong by the consequences of the action(s) and we chose to grow closer (stronger) to God.

- [this_guy]

2006-10-04 13:42:30 · answer #8 · answered by thisguy15 1 · 0 0

just because God knows how when where and what we will do does not mean that God should not give us tha chance to not do them. Would if be fair if you started you existence in hell because God knows that you will spend you life disrespecting Him? God has nothing to fear from you or any of them. God gives us CHANCES to chose Him, even knowing who will and who won't and He STILL gives us the chance. I think that shows how omniscient He really is.

2006-10-04 13:24:51 · answer #9 · answered by TYRONE S 3 · 1 0

If I had a time traveling DeLorian and went forward in time and saw next weeks lottery numbers, then went back in time to the present, would that mean that I had somehow "planned" for those lottery numbers to be the winning ones? No, it wouldn't. It would just mean that I had prior knowledge.

2006-10-04 13:06:42 · answer #10 · answered by Dysthymia 6 · 0 0

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