Why do people make false economic arguments against immigration. Why can't they admit xenophobia???

Question

If free trade is a good idea, then so is free trade in people. Also if labour restrictive borders are a good idea, then why not have more of them? Why not stop people from changing states, unless they have a state Green Card, which of course will be designed to be impossible to get for most of you, since most of you would never qualify to immigrate to your own country.

Extrapolating proves your ideas on restricting labour makes no sense. Restricting labour means labour can't go where wages are highest, and that means we have made world poverty a lot worse using borders, which is not very Christian, by the way.

Answer 1

I understand your dissent. Someone wise once said "if you are young and not liberal you have no heart, and if you are old and not conservative you have no brain". 20 years ago I would have been on your side of this argument. I am not a racist. I love all people. The U.S. is a tax based system. It operates on the money we pay in; public aid, schools, jails, roads etc. all use our tax dollars. Everyone who benefits from this has to do their part for the system to be able to maintain all of it's people. It is not hatred, it is logic. I won't even go into all of the security issues we have since 9/11. I know there is a lot of paperwork involved in entering the U.S. through the proper channels, here is a website that can help; www.uscitizenship.info and also www.usimmigrationsupport.org. I am not against immigration. Anyone entering my country through the proper channels who is a tax paying citizen is more than welcome. I hope I have not offended you, as that was not my intent.

Answer 2

Restricting a labor market is not a restriction on wages (it's not a wage ceiling). You've made a false analogy.

Most economic arguments I've read are true. Illegal immigrants are negatively impacting social services to the tune of billions of $ annually. They're impacting real wages, even on each other. As they move into neighborhoods, they impact property values by bringing crime, poverty, overcrowding, gang culture and drug trade.

Criticizing what you see as false economic arguments doesn't have anything to do with your assertion against xenophobia. Can't I protect my own language and culture and the future of my children against those things I listed above?

I don't have an "unnatural fear of aliens" if I want to keep Mexican gangs out of my kids' school. I'm not a xenophobe or a racist if I want to keep Mexicans from turning California into a province of their corrupt and ruined country to the South!

Grow up and stop name-calling! Find yourself some real news sources and stop thinking that "free trade" (there's no such thing) will somehow make everything all right.

Answer 3

You sound like a disgruntled neighbor from the Great White North. Let me take a stab at your question.
Xenophobia has the connotation of unreasonable fear of foreigners, not just fear of foreigners. If you consider what the western world has been through lately, then I suggest "unreasonable" doesn't apply.
I define "free trade in people" as no tariffs on a slave trade.
I can't quarrel with your idea about restricting movement between states. I think that people have a responsibility to stay home and fix their local problems instead of becoming a problem for someone else.
As for being qualified to immigrate into ones own country: we both live in glass houses so its wise to be careful with the flying bricks.

Answer 4

Most illegals are xenophobic, not wanting to learn English, demanding to fly their own flag but not honoring ours. During the Viet Nam War, the selective service tried to draft some of them, so they ran back to Mexico and the other places they were from. Obviously, the Mexican and Latin American ways do not work, or they would not be coming to the USA as illegals. There are many legal immigrants that come here, and should have the same rights and privelages as a citizen, except for voting. Most illegals DO NOT pay income taxes, but are still eligible to get SS and unemployment. They are also allowed to use our school systems, then DEMAND Spanish speaking teachers. Now, the illegals are organizing labor unions in the Western USA. They exclude Anglo's from these labor unions. Xenophobic? You bet that the illegals are, and racist too. What happens if someone that is not a Mexican works in Mexico that does not have permission? THEY GO TO JAIL, and the people that hire them, lose their business. That is blatant racism and xenophobia. Why don't we do that? I have worked in many of the illegals work in. I have scrubbed toilets, mowed lawns, cleaned sewage systems, picked fruit, been a garbage man, etc. I am white. I will do it again, if I have to, when I get back from Iraq in 2008. Hey, that is an idea... let the illegals join the military and earn their legal status. But they won't. They will hide behind their race and culture, which is another form of xenophobia. If they had any real balls, they would go back to Latin America and have a good old fasioned revolution. It worked for yhe USA. Hey, the Spanish did the same thing we did to the Indians. Why do you think there are so many Latino's with Spanish blood and Spanish sir names? Most Mexicans are the resilt of rapes by Spanish soldiers. Why don't we here any outrage about this? See, most of you from Latin America are part white. Why don't your own government officials marry real Latino's? They only marry the lighter skinned with pure Spanish ancestry.

Answer 5

You are making race a part of it. How do you know that the econonmic statements are not true? Do you? The United States government made a law that states that only a certain # of people from Latin American countries are allowed to come here. Why did they do that ? Its because of the NUMBER of people from those countries coming to America. They didn't say just because you are Mexican or Hondorian. At any rate they allow people here. So there IS a free trade. The law is the law NOW. Don't bring up the past you shouldn't do that in ANY agrument. EVERY OTHER COUNTRY INCLUDING MEXICO HAS IMMIGRATION LAWS. You are saying that everyone should break laws, laws are useless. Laws have reasons. If there were no laws. ANYONE could walk up smack you upside the head take anything you had on you and run off with no consequences. What you are saying is that the United States has NO right to enforce laws it creates for it's own protection.So the guy that smaked you in the head and took your $$$$ had EVERY right to.

Answer 6

Alot of good points, but the sovereignty of America depends on our laws being followed. If people want to immigrate here legally... fantastic! If people want to break our laws, they don't respect us one bit. They can claim it's for a better life, but how is being a criminal a better life? How is being exploited by the few a better life? Mexico sucks because Mexicans allow it to suck. I see Africans come to this country, get an education and go back to Africa to work for change for the better. The Mexicans I see in this country who have 'made it'... all they do is try and force us to take more Mexicans. Go fix Mexico! That's not racist... that's just the truth. I hear alot of viva Mexico and la raza, but I don't see anyone doing a damn thing to make Mexico better... I just see alot of people sneaking into America, costing us billions, and giving some half assed exscuse about how someone has to mow lawns. Then they break our laws, and feel they have the right to protest in our streets because we're not kissing their asses. If Mexicans tried to fix Mexico, I'd do whatever I could to help them. Imagine that world... Mexicans fixing Mexico. But why bother, when you can just sneak into American and sponge off the rest of us. Maybe when everyone sneaks over here, we can sneak down there and make it good.

EDIT: And jftdv2000 said it right. Both of my parents joined the US military to get their citizenship, my dad seeing horrors in Vietnam. But that was back when folks came to America to be American. Nowadays people want to be Mexican American and Afro American and Irish American. Screw that... my colored *** is just plain old American and I hate what is being done to my country.

Answer 7

I do not argue against immigration - I am only against illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is economically and socially damaging to the country that illegal immigrants move to. Immigration, on the other hand (a completely different thing) is economically and socially enhancing to all countries. I have been a legal immigrant, myself, and so I would never be against immigration. People do have the right to move to other countries throughout the world, but they need to do it in a way that respects the laws and people of the country they wish to move to. Illegal immigration is damaging because it tends to encompass the most uneducated people who end up making a negative net contribution to the countries they go to. If 50 poor, uneducated people were suddenly barging through the door of your home and demanding to stay with you, you would be overwhelmed and unable to provide for all of them and soon you would be out on the street along with them. Immigration needs to be regulated to ensure that the immigrants are a mix of the types of people a country needs so we do not end up all out in the street - how can we help ANYONE then, if we are ALL living in poverty? Just because someone wants to come in to a country, does not mean that that person should AUTOMATICALLY be welcomed in. We need to know some things about potential immigrants in order to ensure the safety of our citizens and other legal immigrants, such as whether they are diseased, whether they have criminal records, how they are going to support themselves so that they do not end up living off our social benefits, etc. The reason for laws is for orderliness and safety and without laws, you have chaos.

Answer 8

Here are some TRUE facts about the cost of illegals in my home state of Arizona....
Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to about $1.3 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden borne by Arizonans amounts to more than $700 per household headed by a native-born resident.
This analysis looks specifically at the costs of education, health care and incarceration because they represent the largest cost areas and because a 1994 study conducted by the Urban Institute, which also examined these same costs, provides a useful baseline for comparison ten years later. Other studies have been conducted in the interim, showing trends that support the conclusions of this report.
As this report will note, other significant costs associated with illegal immigration exist and should be taken into account by federal and state officials. But even without accounting for all of the multitude of areas in which costs are being incurred by Arizona taxpayers, the programs analyzed in this study indicate that the burden is substantial and that the costs are rapidly increasing.
The $1.3 billion in costs incurred by Arizona taxpayers is comprised of outlays in the following areas:
Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in Arizona and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Arizonans spend approximately $820 million annually on education for illegal immigrant children and for their U.S.-born siblings.
Health Care. Uncom-pensated medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population is now estimated at about $400 million a year.
Incarceration. The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in Arizona prisons and jails amounts to about $80 million a year (not including the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration).
The unauthorized immigrant population pays some state and local taxes that go toward offsetting these costs, but they do not come near to matching the expenses. The total of such payments might generously be estimated at $257 million per year.
The fiscal costs of illegal immigration do not end with these three major cost items. The total costs of illegal immigration to the state’s taxpayers would be considerably higher if other costs such as special English instruction, school nutrition programs, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were added into the equation.
Call it what you wish,I call it too much.
We here in America have not created the poverty in other country's,case in point 99% of illegals (according to the Border Patrol) come from Mexico.Mexico can solve its own problems if it want to and you know it .We must take care of ourselves first,then we can help the world.
By the way how many illegal family's are your Christan ways helping?

Answer 9

I'll tell you what - if America gets defended and we get these illegals out of here, keep the border where it is, stop anchor babies and all that I couldn't give a damn less being xenophobic or racist or anything.

Answer 10

There are advantages to having migrant laborers. What causes some to get understandably ticked off- perhaps xenophobic- is when these rely on welfare or benefits as in some european countries. If someone's working hard and not a bother to society and try to fit in, most folks may not have a problem with you.