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Doesn't it say that you die, then on judgement day you are ressurrected to receive judgement? Then those who accepted christ get to live, and the others are cast into a lake of fire, and are destroyed?

So where does the popular notion of the soul and heaven and hell come from?

2006-10-03 16:28:08 · 14 answers · asked by martin h 6 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Well, john
Your mathew excerpt was a good answer, but your explanation was illogical. Just because god has a soul doesn't mean we should assume we also have one. God is omnipotent right?? and he made us in his image right?? so we are omnipotent too, right???
see, that logic doesn't work.

2006-10-03 16:42:28 · update #1

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Where in the bible does it say that the body dies, but the immortal soul carries on? "No where in the Bible does it say what your ??? asks."

First of all, you do not have and immortal soul, if you did, then why had no one gone to Heaven before Jesus came to the Earth, 4000 years had came & gone since Adam & Eve, millions of people had died, what did Jesus say to a man of the Pharisees, Nic·o·de'mus was his name, a ruler of the Jews.

John 3:13
Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.

What is a Soul?
Right in the very first book of the Bible, Genesis, we are told that the soul is not something you have, it is something you are. We read of the creation of Adam, the first human being: “The man came to be a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7) The Hebrew word used here for soul, ne'phesh, occurs well over 700 times in the Hebrew Scriptures, never once conveying the idea of a separate, ethereal, spiritual part of man. On the contrary, the soul is tangible, concrete, physical.

Look up the following cited texts in your own copy of the Bible, for the Hebrew word ne'phesh is found in each of them. They clearly show that the soul can face risk, danger, and even be kidnapped (Deuteronomy 24:7; Judges 9:17; 1 Samuel 19:11); touch things (Job 6:7); be locked up in irons (Psalm 105:18); crave to eat, be afflicted by fasting, and faint from hunger and thirst; and suffer from a wasting disease or even insomnia as a result of grief. (Deuteronomy 12:20; Psalm 35:13; 69:10;) In other words, because your soul is you, your very self, your soul can experience anything you can experience.

Does that mean, then, that the soul can actually die? Yes. Far from being immortal, human souls are spoken of in the Hebrew Scriptures as being “cut off,” or executed, for wrongdoing, being struck fatally, murdered, destroyed, and torn to pieces. (Exodus 31:14; Deuteronomy 19:6; 22:26; Psalm 7:2) “The soul that is sinning—it itself will die,” says Ezekiel 18:4. Clearly, death is the common end of human souls, since all of us sin. (Psalm 51:5) The first man, Adam, was told that the penalty for sin was death—not transfer to the spirit realm and immortality. (Genesis 2:17) And when he sinned, the sentence was pronounced: “For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) When Adam and Eve died, they simply became what the Bible often refers to as ‘dead souls’ or ‘deceased souls.’

When did professed Christians adopt the belief in such an afterlife? Certainly not during the time of Jesus and his apostles. The French Encyclopædia Universalis states: “The [apocryphal] Apocalypse of Peter (2nd century C.E.) was the first Christian work to describe the punishment and tortures of sinners in hell.”
It appears that among the early church fathers, there was much disagreement over hell. Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Cyprian were for a fiery hell. Origen tried to give hell a remedial twist, claiming that sinners in hell would eventually be saved.

In his book Early Christian Doctrines, Oxford professor J. N. D. Kelly writes: “By the fifth century the stern doctrine that sinners will have no second chance after this life and that the fire which will devour them will never be extinguished was everywhere paramount.”

The doctrine of Purgatory, was formulated in the sixth century, and proclaimed a dogma of the Church by the Council of Florence (1439).” The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture.” With regard to Limbo, Rome’s Cardinal Ratzinger admits that it is “only a theological hypothesis.”

2006-10-03 18:35:28 · answer #1 · answered by BJ 7 · 0 0

John 4:13-15,1 Corn. 6:12-13, 1 Corn 15:12, Ps 56:3-4, John 10:28-29
Rev. 7:2.
Heaven Eph 1:3 1 Pt.2:11, Mat 12:24, Read Rev 4 & 5, Hell 2 Thes 1:7-9, Jude 1:7, Rev 1:17, Rev 20:14
LUKE 16;20 and on. Gen 2:7

2006-10-03 16:53:06 · answer #2 · answered by salvation 5 · 0 0

II Corinthians 5: 6-9
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.


While that does NOT specifically and categorically state that the soul is immortal; but it does clearly say that though the body dies (and is buried in the grave) yet the soul (the person, personality) is alive and present with the Lord.

Yes, the Scriptures do teach that there is coming a judgement day in which all the dead will be raised back to life so they may receive in their bodies what is due to them. For the Christians, there is the Judgement Seat of Christ (at an earlier time), when Christians will be judged according to rewards but NOT judged as pertains to Salvation -- for our sins were judged at Calvary.

"Where does the popular notion of the soul and heaven and hell come from??

The Bible. You could read many passages, including St. Luke 16 where the rich man and Lazarus (not the brother of Mary and Martha, but another Lazarus) died and were buried -- and were very conscious without their bodies!

Notice the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments,

He was dead, His body was buried in the grave. But he could still see with his eyes (not the physical eyes, obviously, but with his eyes evertheless)

2006-10-03 16:51:14 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

As you may notice....... No one is able to provide any Scripture that states the immortal soul carries on. Why may you ask?

Because it's NOT a Bible teaching. That's why.

The Bible teaches at Ecc. 9: 5,6,10 - (NIV)
"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have NO further reward, ........."

If the Bible taught that we go straight to heaven when we die, wouldn't this scripture be the appropriate one stating that type of reward? I would think so.... But, it doesn't. It states that we know nothing..... no reward... HELLO??

If anyone actually read the Bible open-heartedly... especially that passage.... they would know the truth of God's word, not man's.... AND know that as Ps. 146:4 says that when a man dies, "his thoughts do perish."


Illustration of death: The life we enjoy is like the flame of a candle. When the flame is put out, it does not go anywhere. It is simply gone. It doesn't sip through the ceiling, up to the sky and look down on us! Just think about it, read God's word and meditate on what you're actually reading. It will help!

2006-10-03 17:08:15 · answer #4 · answered by Zee 2 · 2 0

Having the spirit of God in you makes you a living soul, there are two resurrections....happy are they that make it through the to the second.when you are judged on final resurrection and cast into the lake of fire, you are basically obliterated,as in,, GOD Never knew you, and there is no hope of escape or torture or life of fire and brimstone. SEE the LORD has got to get rid of SATAN .permenately, and that means , That Satan can no longer be released from his chains or from Hell ,neither can thoughs of us, Evil people. because is Hell was like a prison, like it has been for Satan and will be one last time, then there is always the possibility of escape.. anyways.. The SOUL carries the Holy Spirit and if you kill the TEMPLE of GOD you Kill the Spirit..Read last couple of chapters of the Bible.... good luck..

2006-10-03 16:43:23 · answer #5 · answered by rakisup 2 · 0 0

The bible teaches that immortality is a reward.

It was Satan who said you will not die if you disobey God.

Ez 18:4 says the soul dies.

Immortailty of the soul is a teaching of Plato not Jesus

“Immortality of the soul is a Greek notion formed in ancient mystery cults and elaborated by the philosopher Plato.” —Presbyterian Life, May 1, 1970, p. 35.

2006-10-04 05:01:51 · answer #6 · answered by TeeM 7 · 2 0

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life, recieved through faith.

There is the first resurrection (those redeemed by the blood of the lamb) before the 1000 yr age of Christ. Those of the first resurrection are saved also from the authority of the second death. Then there is the second resurrection, where the rest of all who lived will stand before the judgment seat of Christ. The place of the dead will give up their dead the dead from the sea will stand before Him. And death & hell will give up the dead in them. These will be judged according to their works (conscience & land laws). Those whose names are not found in the books of life will be thrown into the lake of fire, the second death.

The first in the lake of fire are beast, false prophet, satan, death & hell. Then are those whose names are not found in the books of life.

Soul, heaven & hell are written in the bible.

2006-10-03 16:38:10 · answer #7 · answered by t_a_m_i_l 6 · 1 0

Greek mythology. The Bible plainly teaches that at death the body returns to dust and the spirit returns to God. The spirit is not the soul. The spirit that God gives a body is primarily the life force or essence. Soul and spirit are separate Hebrew and Greek words. The Bible states plainly that a soul can die. The soul is the union of body, mind and spirit.

2006-10-03 16:36:05 · answer #8 · answered by Mr Answer 5 · 1 2

The teaching of the immortality of the soul goes back to ancient Babylon.

The Hebrew word translated “soul” is ne´phesh, and it occurs 754 times in the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament). What does ne´phesh mean? According to The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, it “usually refers to the entire living being, to the whole individual.”
For example, Genesis 2:7 states: “God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” Note that Adam did not have a soul; he was a soul—just as someone who becomes a doctor is a doctor. The word “soul,” then, can describe a whole person.

The word translated “soul” more than a hundred times in the Christian Greek Scriptures (commonly called the New Testament) is psy·khe´. Like ne´phesh, this word often refers to a whole person. For example, consider the following statements: “My soul is troubled.” (John 12:27) “Fear began to fall upon every soul.” (Acts 2:43) “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Romans 13:1) “Speak consolingly to the depressed souls.” (1 Thessalonians 5:14) “A few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.”—1 Peter 3:20.

Psy·khe´, like ne´phesh, clearly refers to the whole person. According to scholar Nigel Turner, this word “signifies what is characteristically human, the self, the material body having God’s rûah [spirit] breathed into it. . . . The emphasis is on the whole self.”

The condition of the dead is made clear at Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, where we read: “The dead know nothing . . . There is no pursuit, no plan, no knowledge or intelligence, within the grave.” (Moffatt) Death, therefore, is a state of nonexistence. The psalmist wrote that when a person dies, “he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.”—Psalm 146:4.
So the dead are unconscious, inactive. When pronouncing sentence upon Adam, God stated: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) Before God formed him from the dust of the ground and gave him life, Adam did not exist. When he died, Adam returned to that state. His punishment was death—not a transfer to another realm.
When we say that Adam died, we are saying that the soul named Adam died. This might sound unusual to a person who believes in the immortality of the soul. However, the Bible states: “The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.” (Ezekiel 18:4)

The Christian apostle Paul wrote: “Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.”—Romans 5:12. We are born sinful, having inherited this condition from our first human parents. We have the hope of the resurrection because of Jesus dying for our sins. But, we need to follow in his footsteps because he is the model for us. (1Peter 2:21) And we must show our love for Jesus father by doing as it says in (1 John 5:3) For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome,

“the wages sin pays is death.” (Romans 6:23) We have paid for our sins at our death. We are judged by what we do after we are resurrected. Revelation 20:14 tells us that the lake of fire means the second death. Simply put it is just death forever. ("And death and Ha´des were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire") By our obedience we can have everlasting life on a paradise earth. Everything that Adam lost by sinning, we can receive because of the ransom sacrifice and our obedience to God.

2006-10-03 17:15:19 · answer #9 · answered by hugs2u 2 · 2 0

the unbelievers will be judged according to the good or bad they have done on earth. The ones who accept Christ as Saviour are not judged, but passed into eternal life.Thessalonians 1-4

2006-10-03 16:34:33 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

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