Jesus is God. He applied the name of God, "I AM," to Himself in several passages. Here's a few examples: Matthew 14:27, Mark 6:50, Mark 13:6, Luke 21:8, John 4:26, John 6:20, John 8:24, 28, 58, and John 13:19. There are several others I have not listed.
Further, Jesus received worship:
"Then the men in the boat began to worship Jesus, saying, "You certainly are the Son of God!" (Matthew 14:33)
"Suddenly Jesus met them and said, "Greetings!" They went up to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him." (Matthew 28:9)
"They worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy." (Luke 24:52)
"He said, "Lord, I do believe," and worshiped him." (John 9:38)
"I heard every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea, and everything that is in them, saying, "To the one who sits on the throne and to the lamb be praise, honor, glory, and power forever and ever!" Then the four living creatures said, "Amen!", and the elders bowed down and worshiped." (Revelation 5:13-14)
Therefore, it is absolutely right for us to worship Jesus of Nazareth as God in the flesh.
2006-10-03 14:51:25
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answered by Anonymous
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Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit are the same person yet they are each their own divine self
one interpretation we use is an apple
the core is the Holy Spirit the flesh is Jesus and the skin is God
they are each one part in itself yet part of the whole apple
we worship the three persons as one- the trinity
2006-10-03 21:52:52
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answered by yoshispeedwayusa 2
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1st John,Chapter 5 verse 7: For there are three that bear record in heaven,The Father, The Word (Son), and The Holy Ghost: and these three are one. When you worship, you worship God.
2006-10-04 02:27:07
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answered by Letrice S 1
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Because when the fall happened in the Garden of Eden, man was separated from God. That's why in the old Testiment they had to bring a slained lamb to the alter. But when Jesus died for our sin, He became that slained lamb. Now we are reconciled with God through His Son.
Jesus said in John 14:7-20 " In that day you will know that I am in My father, and you in Me, and I in you.", John 10:30 " I and the Father are one"
2006-10-03 21:52:04
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answered by ckrug 4
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People worship Jesus instead of God because they dont care what God has to say anymore.
2006-10-03 21:43:34
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answered by Anonymous
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scrambled eggs
2006-10-03 21:51:42
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answered by george p 7
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Is Jesus God?
Jesus Christ is not God (he was figuratively God in the Old Testament; the spokesperson for God) = John 1:1. So does the Bible say Jesus is God; no it says that Jesus is the son of God = 1John 4:15.
References of the devil or demons calling Jesus Son of God:
Matthew 4:3
Matthew 4:6,
Matthew 8:29
Mark 3:11
Luke 4:3
Luke 4:9
Luke 4:41
References to humans calling Jesus Son of God:
Matthew 14:33
Matthew 27:54
Mark 1:1
Mark 15:39
John 1:34
John 1:49
John 11:27
John 20:31
Acts 9:20
Romans 1:4
2 Corinthians 1:19
Galatians 2:20
Hebrews 4:14
Hebrews 6:6
Hebrews 7:3
Hebrews 10:29
1 John 3:8
1 John 4:15
1 John 5:1
1 John 5:5
1 John 5:10
1 John 5:13
1 John 5:20
Matthew 14:33
Revelation 2:18
Jesus referring to himself as the Son of God:
John 3:18
John 5:25
John 10:36
John 11:4
http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/t...
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To understand this better; most people say Jesus is God; how can this be? What happened to Jesus then, if Jesus is God or what happened to God if Jesus is God?
1John 2:22-23.
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TRINITY is defined as "A three-fold personality existing in one divine being or substance; the union in one God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three infinite co-equal, co-eternal persons as; one God in three persons."
The Bible contradicts the Trinity teaching over and over. Now if Jesus was a trinity (which is unbiblical), that would mean he didn't come fully in the flesh = 1John 4:3.
How can Jesus be God and talk to himself?
The Trinity Doctrine came from paganism.
(Pagan means no religious beliefs)
http://www.cornerstone1.org/trinity1.htm...
http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/html/mo...
http://mikeblume.com/pagantr.htm...
Most of the majority(Matt.7:13) leads people away from the Truth.
(KJV BIBLE)There are 3 that protestants claim about the trinity; they're JOHN 14 & 15 and 1JOHN 5:7. To start out 1JOHN 5:7 was never in any of the inspired Greek manuscripts; so this knocks out one. As for John 14 & 15; the Greek word for "helper" is paracletos; one who helps inwhich points to the Holy spirit. In Greek, the word "He" is neuter such as "hand" is feminine whether it is a woman's hand or male's hand. As for the word "paracletos" it is masculine and always require a masculine pronoun. This however doesn't prove personhood as you've noticed.
But as you've noticed, these texts don't prove Jesus is God or the Holy Spirit.
I don't believe in the TRINITY! The Bible texts that I'm going to mention contradict the Trinity teaching.
MATT.12:32 "AND WHOSOEVER SPEAKETH A WORD AGAINST THE SON OF MAN, IT SHALL BE FORGIVEN HIM: BUT WHOSOEVER SPEAKETH AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST, IT SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN HIM, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, NEITHER IN THE WORLD TO COME."
JOHN 14:28 "IF YE LOVED ME, YE WOULD REJOICE, BECAUSE I SAID , I GO UNTO THE FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."
1COR.11:3 "BUT I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW THAT THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST; & THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD."
LUKE 18:19 "AND JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? NONE IS GOOD, SAVE ONE, THAT IS, GOD."
****SEVERAL OTHER TEXTS SAY THERE'S ONLY TWO PERSONS:
1COR.1:3; 8:6; 1TIM.1:2; 2:5; GAL.1:3; PHILIPP.1:2; ROM.1:7; 2COR.1:2-3; 1THESS.1:1; 2THESS.1:2; 2TIM.1:2; PHILEMON 1:3; 1PETER 1:3; 2PETER 1:2; 1JOHN 1:3; 2JOHN 1:3.
Now touching on the HOLY SPIRIT; the Holy Spirit is a power(Luke 1:35= "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the "Son of God.") where God and Jesus make their presence known in the hearts and minds of believers(1John 3:24 = "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."). The believers of god and Jesus will have this love poured on them (Rom.5:5 = "And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given to us.") It will teach them understanding and wisdom of God's Word (John 14:16,17,20,23,26 = "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. At that day ye shall know that I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.") Jesus had the Holy Spirit in him when he made the lame walk and the deaf to hear and etc.(Luke 5:15-17) God works in our minds to give us stength to overcome (Genesis 6:3 = "And the Lord said, my Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.") Other texts are: John 7:38-39; Rom.8:11,13-14,16 and Psalm 104:30.
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Another text that Trinitarians use to say Jesus is the same being as God is John 10:30.
Well many confuse this text in John 10:30 to say Jesus and God are one and the same person; but this text doesn't mean that. In fact what does Jesus/Bible tell us in these texts; doesn't it say that Jesus and God are seperate people?
JOHN 14:28 = "YE HAVE HEARD HOW I SAID UNTO YOU, I GO AWAY, AND COME AGAIN UNTO YOU. IF YE LOVED ME, YE WOULD REJOICE, BECAUSE I SAID, I GO UNTO THE FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."
JOHN 20:17 = "JESUS SAID UNTO HER, TOUCH ME NOT; FOR I AM NOT ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN, AND SAY TO THEM, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, AND YOUR FATHER; AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD."
1COR.11:3 "BUT I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW THAT THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST; & THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD."
LUKE 18:19 "AND JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? NONE IS GOOD, SAVE ONE, THAT IS, GOD."
MATT.19:17 = "AND HE SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS, GOD: BUT IF THOU WILT ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS."
****SEVERAL OTHER TEXTS SAY THERE'S ONLY TWO PERSONS:
1COR.1:3; 8:6; 1TIM.1:2; 2:5; GAL.1:3; PHILIPP.1:2; ROM.1:7; 2COR.1:2-3; 1THESS.1:1; 2THESS.1:2; 2TIM.1:2; PHILEMON 1:3; 1PETER 1:3; 2PETER 1:2; 1JOHN 1:3; 2JOHN 1:3.
So what does John 10:30 really means--when it says "I and my Father are one?" Well let's go further down to John 10:38. Doesn't it tell us that God and Jesus are alike and similar in actions, features, and etc? Take a Father with his son or a Mother with her daughter; do they have characteristics like you; but does that mean they're you? No of course not; they're seperate, but are alike in different ways.
JOHN 10:38 = "BUT IF I DO, THOUGH YE BELIEVE NOT ME, BELIEVE THE WORKS: THAT YE MAY KNOW, AND BELIEVE, THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME, AND I IN HIM."
JOHN 5:19-20 = "THEN, ANSWERED JESUS AND SAID UNTO THEM, VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO: FOR WHAT THINGS SOEVER HE DOETH, THESE ALSO DOETH THE SON LIKEWISE. FOR THE FATHER LOVETH THE SON, AND SHEWETH HIM ALL THINGS THAT HIMSELF DOETH: AND HE WILL SHEW HIM GREATER WORKS THAN THESE, THAT YE MAY MARVEL."
JOHN 17:21-22 = "THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME. AND THE GLORY WHICH THOU GAVEST ME I HAVE GIVEN THEM; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE."
JOHN 14:10-11 = "BELIEVEST THOU NOT THAT I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IN ME? THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I SPEAK OF NOT MYSELF: BUT THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS. BELIEVE ME THAT I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IN ME: OR ELSE BELIEVE ME FOR THE VERY WORKS' SAKE."
JOHN 5:36 = "BUT I HAVE A GREATER WITNESS THAN THAT OF JOHN: FOR THE WORKS WHICH THE FATHER HATH GIVEN ME TO FINISH, THE SAME WORKS THAT I DO, BEAR WITNESS OF ME, THAT THE FATHER HATH SENT ME."
JOHN 10:25 = "JESUS ANSWERED THEM, I TOLD YOU, AND YOU BELIEVED NOT: THE WORKS THAT I DO IN MY FATHER'S NAME, THEY BEAR WITNESS OF ME."
Also many others such as:
JOHN 8:28,42,49-50,54; 5:19-20,26-27,30; 6:38,57
MATT.20:23
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Now to your second question: I don't know why people worship God's son; I really don't have no idea. I know my church doesn't; we worship God the Father like the Bible says in:
LUKE 4:8 = "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shall thou serve."
JOHN 4:22-24 = "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Notice Jesus was saying that we should worship Saturday like the Jews.
REV.14:7 = "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgement is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountain of waters." (Reference: Exodus 20:8-11)
REV.19:10 = "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
2006-10-04 02:17:53
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answer #7
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answered by KNOWBIBLE 5
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The short answer to your question is that Jesus is not God; the trinity doctrine is pagan, not Biblical; theological prejudices have caused Bible translators to color the meaning of scripture in regard to the "worship" of Jesus; Jesus is certainly to be honored, but only God worshipped.
Be very, very careful with some of the answers you receive from this forum. Trying to find the truth on a site like this is like digging for a diamond in a garbage dump. The assertions of chapelite_av are particularly ridiculous; I will provide analysis of this, and all other points, in detail later.
Keep testing everything. (2 Corinthians 13:5) You alone are responsible for finding the knowledge that leads to salvation.
Relevant to the question of the Trinity is the inspired warning in Colossians 2.8: "Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ." How does this apply to your question?
I suggest reading the brochure, "Should You Believe in the Trinity?" published by Jehovah's Witnesses and available online here: http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm
More than that, I suggest you back it up with your own research. Be like the Beroeans. (Acts 17:10,11) You will find that the trinity was never a Bible teaching at all. Triune Gods had existed in pagan religions for centuries before Christianity. Trinitarian theologians of the 4th century and later developed their ideas from what was the popular thinking at the time: Greek philosophy, particularly Platonism. Observe how trinitarian philosophy becomes more and more obfuscated in the face of its logical consequences; for example, to answer the question, "If Jesus is God, why did he pray to himself?" trinitarians resort to complicated philosophies such as "perichoresis" and "hypostatic union". Many will simply admit that they do not understand it at all -- it's too complicated, "a mystery". But Jesus said that the truth about God would be understood by those having the disposition of young children. --Matthew 18:1-4; 21:15,16.
Is not this reliance upon human philosophy and tradition in place of scripture exactly the "philosophy ... according to the tradition of men" that the scripture explicitly warns against? Do you not see many people "carried away" by it?
It is common to assert that, according to scripture, Jesus received worship. However, this is not correct. A principal Greek word translated "worship" is pro·sky·ne´o and basically means, "to bow down, to prostrate oneself". This can be done with or without worshipful intent, as the scriptures show. In Matthew chapter 18, we encounter an illustration of a slave who owed money to a king. In verse 26, we read that the slave "began to do obeisance to him [the king], saying, ‘Be patient with me and I will pay back everything to you.’" Here the expression "do obeisance" is the same expression translated "worship" in other contexts. The slave "did obeisance", or "bowed down" to the king in respect according to custom, and the Bible does not condemn this. (Romans 13:7) But nobody would suppose that the slave was "worshipping" the king.
The same is the case in the scriptures cited by chapelite_av. It is absolutely correct that in each case the diciples "did obesiance" or "bowed down" to Jesus. As Jesus would later say to them, "You address me, ‘Teacher,’ and, ‘Lord,' and you speak rightly, for I am such." (John 13:13) It was certainly proper for the disciples to do obesience to their Lord, but there is simply no scriptural basis for saying that they "worshipped" Jesus as God.
Revelation 5:13,14 says that "the elders bowed down and worshiped." Even if "worshipped" is the correct translation here, the text does not say that Jesus was the object of their worship.
chapelite_av asserts that Jesus applied the name "I AM" (which is a rendering of an expression at Exodus 3:14 applying to God) to himself on multiple occassions, thus taking the identity of God upon himself. Let's examine some of the texts he cites as proof. I'll highlight the parts where Jesus supposedly calls himself God.
Matthew 14.25-27: "But in the fourth watch period of the night he came to them, walking over the sea. When they caught sight of him walking on the sea, the disciples were troubled, saying: 'It is an apparition!' And they cried out in their fear. But at once Jesus spoke to them with the words: 'Take courage, >>>>>it is I;<<<<< have no fear.'"
Mark 6.47-50: "Evening having now fallen, the boat was in the midst of the sea, but he was alone on the land. And when he saw them being hard put to it in their rowing, for the wind was against them, about the fourth watch of the night he came toward them, walking on the sea; but he was inclined to pass them by. At catching sight of him walking on the sea they thought: 'It is an apparition!' and they cried aloud. For they all saw him and were troubled. But immediately he spoke with them, and he said to them: 'Take courage, >>>>>it is I;<<<<< have no fear.'"
Mark 13.3-6: "And as he was sitting on the Mount of Olives with the temple in view, Peter and James and John and Andrew began to ask him privately: 'Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are destined to come to a conclusion?' So Jesus started to say to them: 'Look out that nobody misleads you. Many will come on the basis of my name, saying, >>>>>"I am he,"<<<<< and will mislead many.'"
Luke 21.5-8: "Later, as certain ones were speaking concerning the temple, how it was adorned with fine stones and dedicated things, he said: 'As for these things that you are beholding, the days will come in which not a stone upon a stone will be left here and not be thrown down.' Then they questioned him, saying: 'Teacher, when will these things actually be, and what will be the sign when these things are destined to occur?' He said: 'Look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, >>>>>"I am he,"<<<<< and, "The due time has approached." Do not go after them.'"
John 4.25,26: "The woman said to him: 'I know that Messiah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one arrives, he will declare all things to us openly.' Jesus said to her: >>>>>'I who am speaking to you am he.'<<<<<"
John 6.16-20: "When evening fell, his disciples went down to the sea, and, boarding a boat, they set out across the sea for Capernaum. Well, by now it had grown dark and Jesus had not yet come to them. Also, the sea began to be stirred up because a strong wind was blowing. However, when they had rowed about three or four miles, they beheld Jesus walking upon the sea and getting near the boat; and they became fearful. But he said to them: >>>>>'It is I;<<<<< have no fear!'"
chapelite_av asserts that each occurance of "It is I" or similar expressions is Jesus claiming to be the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14. I hope that seeing the scriptures in context makes the absurdity of this claim obvious.
In John chapter 8, starting in verse 12, Jesus engages in a long discussion with the Jewish religious leaders. In verse 24, Jesus says, "For if you do not believe that I am [he], you will die in your sins." Jesus is referring to his role as Messiah; one who does not exercise faith in Jesus as the Messiah cannot be saved. The Jews do not understand this, and so question him in verse 25: "Who are you?" In verse 26, Jesus tell them that "he that sent me is true, and the very things I heard from him I am speaking in the world." Jesus is saying that he was sent by God and speaking what God told him to say. Verse 27 states that "They [the Jews] did not grasp that he was talking to them about the Father." In other words, the Jews didn't understand what Jesus was saying about his being sent by God. So Jesus says to them in verse 28: "When once you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing of my own initiative." Jesus is not saying that he is God. Rather, he is saying that his death and resurrection will furnish proof that he was sent by God and that he is the Messiah. This was fulfilled as recorded at Matthew 27.54: "But the army officer and those with him watching over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things happening, grew very much afraid, saying: 'Certainly this was God’s Son.'" But he did not say that Jesus was God.
Let's look at John 8:58. Some translations read: "Before Abraham was, I AM." This is supposed to mean that Jesus is claiming to be God. But a more accurate translation would read, "I have been." Let's see how this fits the context. In verse 57, the Jews ask about Jesus' age, saying: "You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?" Jesus then answers, "Most truly I say to you, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been." Jesus was simply saying that he existed before Abraham did.
Jesus is the "firstborn of all creation." (Colossians 1:15) Like the angels who came after him, Jesus existed before any humans or the earth were created. (Job 38:6,7) But this does not make Jesus God.
At John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." Does this mean that Jesus shares the same essence as the Father? Note that in 1 Corinthians chapter 3, Paul illustratively describes his and Apollos' role in the congregation. In verse 5, he says, "I planted, Apollos watered, but God kept making it grow." Then, in verse 7, he says, "Now he that plants and he that waters are one." Are we supposed to believe that Paul is Apollos, or that Apollos is Paul? Absurd! Paul and Apollos "are one" in the sense of unity and cooperation. It is in the same sense that Jesus and his Father are one.
Check the scriptures, do the research for yourself. Read things over and over again if you need to. The Trinity is simply not a scriptural teaching. Paul warned against being misled "through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men." But Jesus told his audience: "If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." (John 8:31,32) Accurate understanding of Bible truth is the key.
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2006-10-04 02:03:19
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answered by Ben Beth Daathel 1
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