Why cant faith co-exist with reason?

Question

for example...evolution? do humans come from monkeys? Honestly i dont think so, but to science, thta sounds more REASONable.....and i do believe that both can co-exist, i dont need proof to believe in God, i have faith

Answer 1

It can!

Answer 2

Reason is a whore and the enemy of faith.

Martin Luther

I think mr. protestant reformation pretty much sums it up. Reason debunks religons and religons can not exist with reason.

It takes a lot to swallow the idea of a man walking on water, or talking to angels in caves, or parting the red sea.

Reason and evidence mind you shows no proof of Solomons kingdom. History understands that it was Constantine the Great that spread Christianity as a political move. There are also no at the time documents detailing Jesus' life. Finally the Sunni and Shitte have fought for over 1400 years because of a disagreement about who is Muhammeds true heir to Islam.

The problem that all groups have (atheists included) is that we focus on the stories. Miricles are selling points. The only reason the bible is taken as truth is because of it's age. Had the Arthurian stories been written 600 years earlier the Messiah's name would have been Arthur.

The stories are false. It is the philosophies of the religions that is important. Making bright lights and pretty pictures count for somehting is how Bush duped the masses into voting for him twice.

Besides, religious leaders want unquestioning people to follow them like any other institution. Reason defeats Dogmatic ideals like burning bushes or a pure aryan race. People are so rapped up in the tinsle that they fail to see the message. And the message is not believe in me and xyz... the message has always been do good things for people and people will do good things for you.

I'm an atheist, but the legend of Jesus was dead on by saying "do unto other as you would have them do unto you." Just imagine that world.

Answer 3

It does. There can be no faith without reason.
You could only believe in something if you have a very good reason to do so.
Riding in an airplane with a pilot you know have never flown a plane before is not faith but stupidity.
Having faith in the Sun creator is very normal since for ages the sun have risen on time. Having no faith in a Sun creator is beyond reason...it's called stupidity.

Answer 4

Faith is the exact opposite of reason. Faith is believing something to be true without any evidence or real reason to believe other than a strong inner conviction. Rationality or reason demands that ideas and beliefs be supported by evidence, knowledge, and logic.

It is possible to hold rational beliefs and irrational beliefs simultaneously as per your example, however the terms faith and reason are mutually exclusive by definition.

Answer 5

It does. It's just that reason is based on calculated actions and reactions, and faith is just exactly what it is, faith. I don't have to have a sign from God that He exists, because I have faith in my heart that He does. Some of my faith is based on reason, and thus I have answered your question, Faith does co-exist with reason.

Answer 6

Leon,

It absolutely can (and should) in a religion which is true. The notion that faith and reason stand at odds is largely overplayed, and simply inaccurate (often because of misinformation or ignorance on the part of the faith- or reason-advocate). Do you have a specific example in mind?

Answer 7

properly, aside from faiths would be illiberal, different than whilst it comes to Westboro. They have not executed a single solid element, so i think of we are in a position to all agree that they might desire to be abolished. we could all attempt, yet some people's ideals are very stable. whilst a stable believer of one faith is on the industry in touch with a stable believer of yet another faith, it is going to, very practically unavoidably reason conflict. the seen being tolerant of faith is a effective one, little doubt, even though it does not final very lengthy because of the fact conflicting perspectives will consistently reason confrontation and worry.

Answer 8

I think maybe faith can co-exist with reason. It's just that we as humans can't make the connection.
It's all a mystery... but one day we may find out.

Answer 9

Proof denies faith, and without faith, god is nothing.

Remember that one?

Reason demands proof. It is the opposite of faith.

Answer 10

" . . . this truth is not discoverable by natural processes. The rulers of this age know nothing about it. When Paul speaks of "the rulers of this age," he means more than merely the officials of the day. He is talking about the leaders of thought, the mind benders, the shapers of public opinion, the philosophers, the sociologists, the politicians. They do not know these secrets. They do not understand this body of truth, and that is why nothing they propose ever works in the long run. You cannot find them out by listening to the speakers around today, Paul says. Neither are they observed, he says, by the eye, or the ear, or by the reason. You will not get them in school or in any secular training. You will not learn them by observation of life. You will not learn them by studying the history of the past, or by hearsay. You will not get them by deep and profound thinking on your own level about the mysteries of life. Paul says that God has revealed them to us by his Spirit.

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There is another capacity of the soul, however, and that is the reason.

Some people pride themselves on not making decisions on the basis of feelings. They think of themselves as logical, coldly reasonable people who decide on the basis of the facts. They sometimes feel very superior to all those poor people who simply "emote" as they go through life, making decisions on that basis. But again, the Word of God tells us that they need not feel so proud of themselves, because their reasoning power is limited. It functions only between two clearly marked dividers, birth and death--only in the realm that exists between those two poles. Therefore, everything the reasoning man sees is related to this life. His logical choices are made on the basis of goals centering around this life, goals such as personal success, fame, wealth, power, personal pleasure, and so forth. People who live like this are what we call men and women of the world. Their viewpoint is natural; it is instinctive with them; it is from birth. . . ."

- Ray C. Stedman
Expository Studies in I Corinthians
http://www.raystedman.org/1corinthians/1corinthians.html

Answer 11

Faith is believing in something or someone regardless of anything. You don't need reason to have faith.