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can someone come up with a scripture that proves the trinity?
or that mentions the word trinity?
where did the word come from?

2006-10-03 05:58:07 · 11 answers · asked by Twilight_dreaming 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

which bible translation did you use TeeM

2006-10-03 06:06:48 · update #1

11 answers

No one can, because there is no such thing as a Trinity.

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. Joh 6:56, 57.

Jesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,

Jesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;


Rev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him, why did God have to give the revelation to Jesus, if he is God? .

Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)

John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven.

A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.

2006-10-03 08:06:26 · answer #1 · answered by BJ 7 · 5 2

The Gospel according to St. Matthew, chapter 28:

"Go now into the world & Baptize them in the Name Of the Father, & Of the Son, & Of the Holy Spirit."

No, the Word 'Trinity' does not appear in Sacred Scripture.

2006-10-03 06:08:40 · answer #2 · answered by clusium1971 7 · 1 0

While the actual word "Trinity" isn't mentioned in Scripture, the doctrine of the Trinity is supported all through the Bible. Read the Word of God. Your answers are there.

2006-10-03 06:03:43 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 4 3

A logical explanation of the Divine Trinity is to be found in "Rational Spirituality" on the Dhaxem website.

2006-10-03 06:34:26 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0 1

I'm sorry I could do it but I would be taking the scripture out of context to do it.

rs p. 405 pars. 1-2 Trinity ***
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

*** rs p. 406 par. 1 Trinity ***
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

NWT
(Romans 15:4-6) . . .” 4 For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope. 5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant YOU to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had,

6 that with one accord YOU may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

NASB
5Now may the (G)God who gives perseverance and encouragement grant you (H)to be of the same mind with one another according to Christ Jesus,

6so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify (I)the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

NIV
5May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus, 6so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Which one do you prefer?

It is true that Elohim means gods, but according to Strong's when it refers to Jehovah it means Supreme God. Otherwise all bibles would translate it "Gods" and not "God"

Moses at Ex 7:1 is called Elohim, does that mean there are 2,3,4, Moseses?

2006-10-03 06:04:22 · answer #5 · answered by TeeM 7 · 3 1

1) The word translated as "God" in our Bibles is the Hebrew word "Elohim," which is a pleural word meaning "Gods." See Genesis 1:1, for example.

2) God refers to Himself in the pleural; see Genesis 1:26a. There is no evidence this is the "royal we," as some try to argue.

3) There are instances in the Bible where God the Father speaks to God the Son (Jesus Christ, a.k.a. The Word). In Psalm 45:6-7, the writer states: "Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness, and hated wickedness: Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows." Notice that the word God is actually applied to two different Persons within these two verses. He is addressing God, and after addressing God, he says that another God had anointed the first God with the oil of gladness above "your" fellows. It should be noted that in this verse the first Elohim is being addressed. The second Elohim is the God of the first Elohim. Therefore, it is God’s God who has anointed Him with the oil of gladness. Another example may be found at Hosea 1:7.

4) Then there are Scriptural sources that reference ALL THREE Persons of the Trinity: Father, Son and Spirit:

Isaiah 42:1 "Behold, my [Father] servant [Son], whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom my soul delights: I have put my Spirit [Holy Spirit] upon him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles."

The first Person is the speaker, who is seen by the pronoun "I." The second Person is the speaker's "servant," the servant of Jehovah. And the third Person is the "Spirit" of God.

Isaiah 61:1 is a second example:

"The Spirit [person #1] of the Lord Jehovah [person # 2] is upon me [person # 3]; because Jehovah has anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he has sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;…" The second example mentions three individuals: the Lord Jehovah; the Spirit of Jehovah; and the pronoun "me," in reference to the speaker. We know from Luke 4:18 that the person referring to Himself as "Me" is Jesus Christ.

There is much more proof of the Trinity in the Bible. However, this is not the forum for such an extensive discussion. If you want more information, send me a message through YA.

Peace.

2006-10-03 06:08:08 · answer #6 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 0 2

1 John 5:7:For there are three that bear record in heaven:The Father,The Word,and The Holy Ghost,and these THREE are one..The word Trinity is not in the Bible..But neither is the word "Bible"..God bless.

2006-10-03 06:03:38 · answer #7 · answered by John G 5 · 1 2

It is not in the bible.

There are many passages that refer to it though.

Look in Genesis, "Let US create man"

The trinity is a concept that explains how God, His Son, and the Holy Spirit make us the one true God.

God gives us life, Jesus gives the Word and the Holy Spirit gives us Love, they all work as the one God.

You might do some study here:

www.Catholic.com

2006-10-03 06:15:04 · answer #8 · answered by C 7 · 0 3

I apologize but the holy trinity is false.

The "holy ghost" is actually a reference to Mohammad (s) because Jesus saw his people would not follow him so that is why he said "You are not ready to hear what I have to say"

2006-10-03 06:12:25 · answer #9 · answered by aliasasim 5 · 0 5

the trinity is an invention of the church derived from greek and roman methology. None of the Prophets ever mentioned the trinity

2006-10-03 06:02:35 · answer #10 · answered by abdulaziiz 3 · 1 8

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