Fundies: So if complexity implies design, why then would an infinitely complex deity not require design?

Question

fireball: My writing the term fundie there would imply that the question is geared toward fundamentalist theists. I understand this is not everyone. I do not want everyone to answer this, just the designated audience. So, good day to you.

Answer 1

Complexity does not require design. It only requires a selection mechanism acting upon variance. In the case of Nature the selection mechanism is our own existence.

Fundies tend to be clueless when it comes to math and science. So We need to define things very very simply for them to understand.

The Complexity of a set is loosley defined in mathematics ( Kolmogorov Complexity ) as the minimum size of a computer program needed to uniquely generate that set as output.

If a closed system "A" uniquely generates a closed system "B" then the system A must be at least as complex as the system "B".

So If there is a closed system "God" and it uniquely generated Nature then it must be at least as complex as nature. The Complexity of a System also tells us the number of ways the system could have been otherwise.

So why is this complex god suited to create Nature. If it had nearly infinite ways to be otherwise, why isn't it otherwise. It seems to me the creationists have a much much much bigger problem than anyone claiming a tornado created a 747. They have to produce a god from nothing.

The only logical explaination consistent with the known mathematics of algorithmic information theory, is not this magical god, but that nature is simple and infinite and based on mathematics, and that it is the selection effect of our existence that selected out a complex subset.

Answer 2

I'm not sure where you're getting this notion of an infinitely complex creator. Maybe you mean infinitely perfect but the point is moot.

God is eternal "from everlasting to everlasting" this implies an infinite existence.

Anything infinite doesn't need a creator. That's why atheist were all shookin up about a big bang theory because it implied that the universe had a beginning and therefore needed something to cause that beginning.

Answer 3

Aliens.

*smirk*

Answer 4

You didn't think this through very well. God is the ultimate and original designer. What are you talking about?

Answer 5

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/index.html

Answer 6

Huh?

Answer 7

Everyone here isnt a fundie Please drop that term
We cant possibly know but God was always there...

Answer 8

God is eternal and perfect.