For all educated Christians and Jews?

Question

I would like to preface by saying that I have respect for all religions and whatever religion you practice is fine by me as long as you dont interfere with other people going about their lives. My question is for the Christians who post odd things on this site such as "Jews are fools they dont know that Jesus is God and Jews are all mistaken blah blah blah"
Im assuming youre intelligent so allow me answer intelligently. The Jewish people received the Torah from God some 3300 years ago. This was a historic occurence that God clearly said will never be repeated again in the history of the universe. He appeared and spoke to 600,000 adult males from the Jewish people. He told them that he is giving them the Torah and He is their God. They accepted Him whole heartedly and said they will do all He asks of them. It says in that Torah that God will not exchange the Jewish ppl for another nation nor will He give a new Torah.

Now if God were willing to appear and do all the miracles He did for the Jewish ppl why should they accept the word of one guy (who may or may not have existed) who claims to be the son of God? Shouldnt it be necessary for God to appear again in the same way He did originally if He truly intended to change His mind and choose a new nation and give a New Testament? Why should Jews believe the claims of one man who did a few miracles which for your info were miracles He was able to perform ONLY because He used The Kabbalah which is Jewish mysticism? There were other Jews who were capable of the same thing!

Answer 1

But-----I do not get your question here.

As a Jew, I have been asked so often by Christians why I do not believe in G-d. Such a stupid question! I do not believe that Jesus was G-d, so they take it for granted I do not believe in G-d. It is their uneducated viewpoint.

I have a friend who is a Muslim. She gets the same question from Christians. So many cannot comprehend that G-d and Allah is the one and same.......that Allah is the Arabic word for G-d.

And, I do not think this will ever change. Christians will never learn.

Answer 2

I fully understand what you are saying and "congratulations" for expressing it so well!

I am neither a Christian nor a Jew yet I do see the inherent "loophole" in your logic. Yes. Your God might have said that He will not give a new Torah but what about prophets? Jesus, during his lifetime, was considered a prophet of God. It was later that the Christians came up with the idea of the Holy Trinity, thus making deity out of Jesus. Then came the Prophet Mohammad. And a whole new religion sprang up from his words. At least he had respect for "people of the book" although that certainly has been dragged through the mud in recent history with obvious devastating results. Consequently,

I will give you no new Torah but what about those who claim to be God's prophet? Then having those individuals either deified or sanctified to the point where a new religion results? As Shakespeare would have said, "Aye, there's the rub!"

Answer 3

I am not sure your exact question, and I am not one of the ones that post those questions to Jews, but I will try to give you something to think about. There is not another Torah or "Law" and God hasn't exchanged the Jewish people for any other nations. If any Christian thinks that than they are mistaken. The United States has not replaced Israel in any way, shape, or form. What is also explained in the Torah from beginning to end is that there will be a saviour that God will send down who will be born of a virgin. There are many other references to Christ that explain to them that Jesus was that saviour. Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. There are many Jews that know Jesus as their saviour but still follow Jewish "tradition." Tradition and religion are two different things.

Answer 4

Good question...hopefully I can give you an equally intelligent answer.

You seem to be referring to God's appearance on the mountain at the time of Moses. At that point He dictated material which is about half of the book of Exodus. It is further expanded in Leviticus (but this time without the thunder/lightning/mountain) and then repeated in Dueteronomy (which actually means "second telling"). This forms all a small portion of the Torah.

The Torah (or Old Testament as Christians call it) consist of 39 books. Moses is involved in four of those books, and the giving of the law about 1/2 of one of those books. So it is roughly 5% of the Torah.

Throughout the rest of the Torah God speaks in many other ways. He uses dreams, he puts people into a trance and shows them a vision, he comes as an audible voice in the middle of the night, he is a still small voice deep within the heart that simply tells you what to do, he is the roll of a dice, he is thunder and lightning, he is a whisper. He speaks and appears in many ways.

But through all of his speaking, there is one major theme - that a Messiah or Christ is coming.
He told it to Adam and Eve when he said the seed (child) of a woman would come and crush the head of satan
He told it to Abraham when Abraham was ready to scarifice his own son and God said He would provide a ram instead
He told it to Moses, who prophecied the coming of the future prophet who would redeem the people
He told it to David, who in Psalms 22 writes a poem about the crucifixion on the words Christ would say 1000 years before it happned
He told it to the Isaiah, who in chapter 7 speaks of the Miessiah birth, and in chapter 53 of his death and ressurection
I could give you humdreds more if you wanted....

All through the book, God is promising the coming of Christ Jesus. There are hundreds of prophecies and promises about Him. And when He came, He fulfilled every one of them.

Read back through the Gospel of Matthew some time. He list 90 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled from the Torah in His life, death and ressurection. Or the book of Hebrews which specifically shows how the things given to Moses in the event you referred to relate to Jesus the Christ.

Did God exchange the Jewish people for another? No. He expanded them. All the way back when God started the Jewish nation with Abraham, He promised Abraham two kinds of children. They would be like the sands of sea and the stars of the heavens. The Jewish people are the "sand of the sea" - born from the fleshy and blood (earthly) line of Abraham. The Christians are the "stars of the heavens" born from the spirit and faith (heavenly) line of Abraham.

So has not given a new Torah in Christ Jesus. He just fulfilled all the promises He made in the original Torah through Christ Jesus.

Answer 5

I find that most people who are well-informed in their religion can argue their points back and forth all day long. So I've come to the conclusion that everyone is wrong or everyone is right. Or maybe it doesn't even matter. I'm a big skeptic when it comes to religious events that happened thousands of years ago. How come there aren't any significant religious occurrences these days? It seems that god does not want to talk to anyone these days. Is he camera shy? Although I do respect peoples beliefs I think that most stories that are in holy books are just a bunch of superstitious people worshiping a god out of fear. Now I'm not saying that there is not a supreme being, after all, take all the cults around the world. I'm sure they really believe in what they preach. Other religious people will call them crazy but then turn around and believe all this other nonsense. So who knows what god said, when he said it, or if he even said it at all.

Answer 6

i would suggest re-reading the Torah and then reading the New Testament. what you will find is perfect agreement.

our Father God gave the Torah first to His beloved people, the Jews. you know that He became angry for their disobedience...perhaps because of His great love and holiness.

you know, from the Torah, that God cannot accept unholiness (unrighteousness) in His presence. you also know that His people constantly went astray. in His great love for His people, He provided a way, thru His own self-sacrifice, to make His people holy.

we gentiles have only been accepted, by God's grace, to make the Jews jealous...to make you desire such a loving beautiful relationship with your Creator. He has only grafted us in, out of His mercy, until "ya'll" :) finally have that lightbulb experience and realize that you are missing out on a true relationship with your Father who loves you.

everything (all experiences, miracles, personalities, occurrences) in the Torah is a type-cast or shadow of the Kingdom of God. it shows us His nature and prepares us for the truth of His love.

God bless you and i pray that God shows you His truth in Yeshua His Son.

Answer 7

Judaism and evolution are flawlessly suitable. Quite aside from whatever else, Jews have a tendency to treat the construction tale as an allegory, and only a few Orthodox Jews undertake a extra literal method. Them apart, you very not often uncover any Jewish individual, Rabbi or Jewish motion arguing in opposition to evolution.

Answer 8

Jews are God's chosen people. Everybody who is not Jewish (gentiles) must go through God's Son Christ Jesus. I don't know any Christians who think Jews are fools and should have to follow Jesus. We are supposed to love Jews and be friends with them.

Answer 9

the truth is always in the middle somewhere; two thoughts to share with you, yes Israel can be replaced, no Jesus is not part of God. just bear with me and I shall steer you through.

I agree with you that the Children of Israel were the chosen ones and favoured by God above the rest of mankind...for a while.

As long they produced fruits they were fine...but if they became corrupt they would be cast aside:

"O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter does?" declares the LORD. "Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.


As for the part concerning Jesus (peace be upon him). As a Jew you will always have Christians badgering you to accept Jesus as the son of God, and as a Jew you are right to be horrified at the idolotry expressed in that thought.Your God is one God and your scriptures have confirmed that in the past so no, you cant accept the son of God heresy. but As a jew you have missed the truly remarkable personality of Jesus. Yes he was born miraculously of a virgin with no male intercessor.yes he healed those who were born blind and cured the lepers with the permission of God. Yes he was able to raise the dead with the permission of God. yes he was the Messiah promised to the children of Israel. (He said in the new testament: salvation is from the Jew. He instructed his Jewish disciples to go only to the lost sheep of the flock of Israel. He dissaproved of pork, he said I have not come to change theJewish law but to fulfill it etc etc)


So where is the middle ground? Where is the middle path between one extreme (He was God or son of God) and the other extreme(He was a liar an imposter not the Messiah).

its in Islam. A righteous Prophet and Messenger of God sent to the Children of Israel a human being and not God.

Through Muhammad God has reached the gentile world ridding it of idolatry. in part He chose the descendent of Ishmail son of Abraham to show those who had previously been given the books and guidance that He does not need them and that the choice of salvation is ultimately His choice. if you do not produce the work of righteousness He will replace you with other nations....

shalom salaam

Answer 10

The Jews are still God's chosen people, whether or not they accept Yeshua as their Messiah. We should all pray for the peace of Jerusalem.