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Most undocumented workers are big spenders, tax payers, and hard workers.

2006-10-02 13:41:54 · 21 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government Immigration

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ALAKRAN-This is from another post I made from here at answers a few hours ago-her question is in print, mine is in capital letters and in parenthesis. Ignore ingonrant comments posted here, there are plenty. They are probably 12 years old, using daddy's PC, and just heard some homeless person outside Kwik-Mart give an opinion that they thought sounded cool, so they posted here. Or, they believe what they are ordered to believe and not the truth. Have a nice day.


Here is a post I answered to:


Baq2Calli: I hate to say it but.........(IN PARENTHESIS IN CAPS-ME)

My Solution to the Immigration Crisis?
This plan should be a sensible one to both sides:

1. U.S. citizens do not hate Mexicans, we just feel that a massive influx of illegal Mexicans -65% of all illegals by some estimates-(SO YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR ALL AMERICANS?) needs to come down to a trickle. (THE CONTROL AND FLOW OF MANY THINGS, INCLUDING ACROSS THAT HUGE BORDER- IS CONTROLLED BY DIFFERENT INFLUENCES OF POWERS THAT CONTROL THESE VERY LAWS-MOST OF IT CASH BUSINESS-THEY HAVE GREAT LOBBYISTS TO KEEP THE LAWS THE WAY THEY ARE-AND IF THERE WERE A FORBES RICHEST 100 AMERICANS 'WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE"-THEY WOULD NO DOUBT BE ON IT)
2. A border fence is the only sensible way to slow down illegal entry. (THESE INFLUENCES WOULD CAPITALIZE ON YOUR FENCE IDEA-OR THE POLITICIAN AND LOBBYISTS TELLING YOU TO PASS OUT THE FLIERS FOR IT-TO GET ELECTED-KEEP THEIR BUSINESSES INTACT-OR TO BENEFIT BY HAVING THEIR NAME ON THE BILL, IN SOME FASHION) Of course a border fence will not be 100% effective, but if we can slow down the rate of illegals from 1 million a year down to only 175,000 a year that's alot of progress.(20% OF AMERICANS OWN 80% OF ITS WEALTH, AND 80% OF AMERICANS OWN 20% OF ITS WEALTH-REFER TO ABOVE "WHO WOULD BENEFIT OR PAY FOR" THIS FENCE SCENARIO, ABOVE)
3. The high rate of illegal Mexicans combined with a high rate of birth by those same Mexicans is putting tremendous strain on our schools and social services and as a result their remittances back to mexico should be taxed since they do not pay FEDERAL INCOME TAX.( JUST AS THE GOVERNMENT PUTS INDUCEMENT TO BIG BUSINESSES TO ENTER POOR POCKETS OF THE ECONOMY NATIONALLY BY OFFERING THEM LOWER TAX BRACKETS TO MOVE THERE-(LIKE IN GUAM (US TERRITORY)-THEIR QUOTA FOR IMMIGRANTS IS 5,000 ANNUALLY-SO PROBABLY A "HUGE" TAX CUT TO LARGE CORPORATION WHO WOULD OFFER TO PARK THERE-BUT LOOK AT THE COSTS OF DOING BUSINESS THERE FOR MOST CORPORATIONS, SHIPPING, ETC.(KEEP IN MIND YOU'D HAVE TO BE A PRETTY BIG CORPORATION TO GET A "BIG" BREAK) IN MY OPINION---5,000 IS TOO MUCH, SO WHAT TO DO? CHEAP LABOR IS ONE WAY. (PLANT SMALL SEEDS WHERE THERE IS NOT MUCH FERTILE GROUND-CHEAP LABOR) THEY ALSO LOOK THE OTHER WAY IN PAYING UNDER THE TABLE JOBS-AND YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE OWNER PAYS THE EQUAL AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT THE TOTAL SUM OF EMPLOYEES PAYS IN FEDERAL TAXES, AREN'T YOU? THAT'S 50%-TO CREATE CHEAP LABOR-TO CREATE BUSINESS-TO CREATE-EVENTUALLY ON THE BOOKS-(AND NOW) JOBS-TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY. AND IF YOU TELL ME THAT "THEY SEND "ALLLLLLLLLLLL" THE MONEY BACK TO MEXICO-ON THE OTHER ECONOMIC SIDE OF THINGS-SPENDING-NO THEY DONT-AND, DO YOU THINK I AM ANTI-AMERICAN FOR BUYING A STOCK IN THE MARKET AND SELLING WHENEVER I WANT? NO, MY INVOLVEMENT STILL HELPS AMERICAN BUSINESS. SO AS TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY-TO WORK-AND STIMULATE THE ECONOMY-YOU WOULD RATHER GO AFTER THE POOR FOR THESE TAXES-THEIR ONLY "LOOPHOLE" OR BREAK, IS FOOD.)
4. ESOL class should only be for one year. There is no reason why it should take a child longer than one year to learn functional english. "English First" should be a national policy when it comes to education. (I AGREE THAT ONE YEAR IS AMPLE TIME FOR IMMIGRANTS TO LEARN ENGLISH, AND THEY SHOULD)

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5. Create a "Guest Worker Department" within the government. This office would keep track of the names and locations of those that really want to be here only for work. This would come with a special ID card and other priveledges. If in fact they only want to work here seasonally and go back home to Mexico during the off season, they should have no problem identifying themselves. (SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER SOCIAL PROGRAM TO ME-IF THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK, THAT CAN BE CHECKED THROUGH HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN ON STATE RUN INSURANCE ALREADY-EARNING POWER) MEXICANS HAVE WORKED IN AMERICA FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME-IF THE ECONOMY PICKED UP AND LET'S SAY THAT AMNESTY HAPPENED-I BET A VERY HUGE PERCENTAGE OF "DOCUMENTED" MEXICANS ON STATE RUN PROGRAMS WOULD DISAPPEAR-BECAUSE THEY WANT TO WORK-AND ALREADY ARE-BUT LACK OF CITIZENSHIP DOESN'T allow THEM TO DECLARE IT-SO LET THEM-BUT THEN THERE GOES THE CHEAP LABOR TO STIMULATE CONCEPT. AND...NOT EVEN INCLUDING THIS FACT-BY PERCENTAGE AS TO OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE, THEY ARE FAR LESS ON WELFARE PROGRAMS AND "NOT WORKING" THAN MOST"-AND ALSO, THE PERCENTAGE OF MEXICAN AMERICANS IN THE MILITARY BY PERCENTAGE IN THE POPULATION IN THE US IS ALSO HIGHER THAN OTHERS-AND LASTLY-TO PROVE WORK INCENTIVE-1. WHY DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? 2. COMPARED TO OTHER ETHNICITIES, MEXICAN AMERICANS HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF NOT ONLY START UPS IN BUSINESS IN AMERICA, BUT SUCESSES PAST 5 YEARS RUNNING ONE...AND THIS STAT IS LONG STANDING IN TIME.

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6. Decrease the paperwork and fees associated with legal immigration. This would allow more Mexicans -- as well as South Americans, Africans, Eastern Europeans and Asians more opportunities.( I JUST RECENTLY GOT A PASSPORT AND WAS TOLD WHAT TO BRING TO FILL OUT AND SEND THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN OFFICE, THEN AFTER SENDING IT-THEY WANTED ME TO SEND THEM ALOT MORE INFO, OLDER THAN 5 YEARS -PROBABLY PAST SEP 11TH 2001-SO I SENT IT-BUT THEY COULD AVOID ALL OF THIS BY JUST GETTING FINGERPRINTS FROM EVERYBODY-AND IF THEY AREN'T IN THE SYSTEM-SOMETHING IS WRONG.

..... I know there are some that say the U.S. is "picking on Mexican", but it's not that at all. The fact is that roughly 65% of all illegal immigrants are Mexican. ( ITS A BIG COUNTRY NEIGHBORING US) 65% from just one country!!! Many of them see themselves as Mexican first and have no loyalty to the United States whatsoever. (HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE METALLICA SONG-SO WHAT?") When you have a subculture (SUB DENOTES BELOW, OR LESSER-YET YOU SAY YOU ARE NOT ANTI-MEXICAN) like that that speaks a different language with their loyalties somewhere else it's only a matter of time before you start hearing the word "secession." (THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I SEE IN THEIR CULTURE COMPARED TO OURS IS WORK ETHIC AND LANGUAGE-AND A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ECONOMY AND HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS-THE LAST TWO ARE OF WHICH YOU KNOW VERY, VERY LITTLE ABOUT) SO, GO SIT ON YOUR COUCH AND EAT YOUR CHEETOS AND TALK ON THE CELL PHONE DADDY BOUGHT YOU AND REPEAT LIKE A MINAH BIRD WHAT YOU HEAR BY POLITICIANS WHO WANT YOUR VOTE-OR FEAR-BECAUSE THEY RELY ON PEOPLE WHO KNOW VERY LITTLE TO SPREAD THEIR MESSAGE. KNUCKLEHEAD

IN REFERENCE TO SECESSION I HAVE PASTED SOMETHING BELOW THAT WILL INTEREST YOU-ONLY THIS SECESSION YOU PERSONALLY SPEAK OF IS SOMEWHAT LIKE IS PASTED, NOT SLAVE-LABOR-BUT MORESO REFERRED TO THESE DAYS AS "CHEAP-LABOR" BUT-PICK UP AN ECONOMICS BOOK ANYWAYS. THE SYSTEM ISN'T PERFECT-BUT WE WANT EVERYONE TO EAT-BETTER THAN GENOCIDE, LIKE SOME COUNTRIES ADHERE TO TO ALLEVIATE POOR POCKETS IN THE ECONOMY, BUT THAT WOULD MAKE YOU HAVE TO PICK UP A HISTORY BOOK TOO-OR TO MAKE IT SIMPLE-LOOK UP KURDS, SADDAM IN A SEARCH ENGINE.(THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY BUSINESSES, AND THEY WERE EVEN TOO POOR TO BUY DRUGS, AND THEY ARE PRETTY RELIGIOUS AND PROUD, SO PROSTITUTING THEM IS OUT, SO KILL 'EM)...(THEY DO HOWEVER, MAKE GREAT SOLDIERS WHEN THE FEAR OF GENOCIDE IS AT HAND) AND SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEIR IS NO STIMULATION GOING ON TOO, AND PEOPLE ARE DYING-THAT DAUGHTER ACTRESS OF THE OLD LAW AND ORDER GUY....HMMMMM MIRA SORVINO??? WHERE IS THAT? I FORGET-IS IT BALI?. DUNNO......BUT SHE'S HOT! ANYWAYS, MONEY TALKS. **********IT IS "MY" OPINION THAT 1. THE SYSTEM WHERE EVERYONE EATS/WORKS IS THE BEST-AS IT HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY 2. MEXICANS, AS THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, WILL STILL SLOWLY BE INTRODUCED INTO THE FULL-PAY SYSTEM AS THE SYSTEM CAN ABSORB IT, AND 3. I AM TIRED OF GIVING THE NOD TO THE RICHEST AMERICAINS BY CONTINUING TO GIVE THEM MONEY (BY WAY OF LOBBYIST SUPPORT FOR LAWS, AND FENCES, BY IMPLEMENTING "FAKE" AND THEREFORE USELESS PLANS (WAR ON DRUGS-lol), THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONTINUANCE OF THEIR MONEY-MAKING MACHINES, AND THEN BLAMING THE POOR, AND EATING THE TAXES FOR IT. SO, JUST KEEP THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE, BUT PROTEST TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION (REAL REPRESENTATION)-OR JUST PAY THESE TAXES BLINDLY SO SOME ULTRA UBER-RICH GUY CAN MAKE PAY-OFF MONEY-FOR THE MACHINE , ANY WAY HE SEES FIT, OFF OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS AND FEAR. DON'T BUY INTO THE B.S.-THAT'S THE MOST "EFFICIENT" WAY TO KEEP THE ECONOMY SOUND, AND ENSURE BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE ARE HANDLED PROPERLY-WITHOUT GETTING RIPPED OFF AS TAX-PAYER IN THE MEANTIME

(The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

2006-10-02 13:58:55 · answer #1 · answered by For sure 4 · 0 1

I am sorry.... but I really think you should be more specific in the question.
For Instance you say Mexicans instead of undocumented workers or (Illegal aliens). I am mexican born in the us to parents that both are Legal.
And your question is a hard one because at the same time as the illegal aliens are being benefited threw public assistance and other goverment programs.
They also alot of times are mistreated under payed and harder workers than americans.
I know that they know they are taking advantage of the opportunity they have to live and work here. My mother was a private investigater for the goverment of Oregon and her job was to investigate labor camps.
I am in no way agreeing that poeple should live illegally and work illegally. But my point is they work cheaper and harder and living expenses are cheaper for them. So its a tough question. They are taxed in states that have sales tax. Hmmmm...Interesting!
And yes they usually have cheap living situations but are big spenders.

2006-10-02 21:11:40 · answer #2 · answered by olypalma 1 · 0 1

I'm sorry, but the truth is they don't contribute to American Prosperity. They are low wage workers that don't pay taxes and send the money out of the country. If your sending money out of a country you are not contributing to its prosperity. You are basically a parasite. Just take for your own needs. Mexico's second biggest income is money being shipped back home from USA. If your working illegally you don't pay taxes, but recieve free medical care. Also identity thief destroys legal residents credit which they may never recover from. Sorry, but the truth is the truth.

2006-10-02 20:53:51 · answer #3 · answered by mazz 2 · 1 1

No, I don't.
I'd spend big too if the only tax I had to pay was sales tax. As for hardworking, I'm sure they are. If I were in a country illegally, I'd be working hard at not getting caught and deported. In all seriousness, I'm sure they think they are working towards a future. Too bad they can't understand that the only way they can secure a legitimate future for themselves and their families, is to be legitimate themselves. Same mentality a drug dealer uses when he/she spends their earnings on their family. Illegally gotten funds, no matter how spent, are still illegal, and subject to prosecution. Deport them, and try the process again, legally. If they commit a crime while here illegally, give them instant status to prosecute them as Americans. How about that?!

2006-10-02 20:56:32 · answer #4 · answered by detecting_it 3 · 1 1

It has been proven that Mexicans are willing to work for much less than standard pay. That causes wages to go down and lowers everyone standard of living. Mexicans are very, very hard working people as a rule. However, those in the US illegally tend to send most of their earnings back to Mexico and spending very little here in the US.

2006-10-02 20:54:29 · answer #5 · answered by sha37 1 · 1 2

I really don't doubt it. They're very hard workers. They have much motivation and love the US. Now, I'm talking about the legals. The illegals should be sent back. But the legals are good people, based on my contact with them. They are so happy to be here and so willing to do anything for our country. That's more than I can say for so many of us Americans.

2006-10-02 20:48:49 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

Most undocumented workers send more to Mexico than they spend here, as I understand it, and meanwhile we pay to educate their children, pay for their health care and other benefits. Illegal immigration is bad for our country because it degrades the education our own children get and makes our services unavailable for our own people who need them.

Big business makes money on 'cheap' (to them) labor, but WE are the ones paying for the benefits and services this 'cheap' labor force uses.

2006-10-02 22:38:52 · answer #7 · answered by DAR 7 · 0 1

It doesn't matter they are illegal, and in the long run they take more because they do not pay income taxes, and if they become legal they will be on our welfare roles especially the unwed mothers and their children. Go back to Mexico and fight for your rights their, fix your own dam country. Don't come here making demands on us. Get out, no illegal are wanted just like your president fox doesn't want them.

2006-10-02 20:53:06 · answer #8 · answered by hexa 6 · 2 1

They earn money and mail it to relatives in Mexico. That HURTS the American economy because the money is not being spent here. Also, illegal aliens go to state hospitals because they know that they won't have to pay their medical bill. Also, gangs encourage good people to move to other towns.

Exactly how in your warped mind do you think Mexicans are helping our economy?

2006-10-02 20:52:57 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

They send money back to Mexico.

They have their "anchor babies" in our hospitals, then don't pay the bills. Hospitals have to close down.

Cheap labor isn't worth all the problems they cause.
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2006-10-02 23:02:27 · answer #10 · answered by alwaysright 3 · 0 1

They are not tax payers. Do they pay income taxes? Social Security? They are here illegally. They need to leave. I am sick of liberals like you making excuses.

2006-10-02 20:45:44 · answer #11 · answered by Chainsaw 6 · 6 3

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