Lucifer and Satan the same being?

Question

Why do people lump Satan and Lucifer together as the same being?

Isaiah Chapter 14 and Ezekial chapter 28 give the impression that Lucifer tried to overthrow God and was then thrown DIRECTLY into Shoel and was doomed to fall down a bottomless pit.. Satan on the other hand is not given an origin story in the Jewish Scriptures. But even later in the Christian New Testament there is no clear verse that saying that Satan and Lucifer are the same being. There isn't even any mention of Lucifer!

It's clear from the book of Job that Satan the "Advisary" can do things (with permission) to mess you up, but there is no reason to think Satan is Lucifer, especially since Lucifer is falling in a bottomless pit. Why are they lumped together?

None of the answers so far have really answered my question, and I'm pretty sure that there isn't an answer. Pulling strickly from Biblical canon there is no way to really justify them being the same being (the only argument I haven't seen yet was the one on the website that Earmour posted saying talking about how in Revolations it says Satan was throw "into" the Earth). I'll have to go over that in Greek with one of my friends that more well versed in Greek.

Purpe: I'm surprised your friend in Cincinnati is awake at this hour and able to give you such a detailed response!

I hate that you're getting caught up in the name I used. Let's just say that the characater alluded to in Isaiah does not really fit well with the other descriptions of Satan we're given.

I could of just as easily asked about the "son of dawn" but I would of not hit my target audience.

Answer 1

satan is the original 'sinner', lucifer is probably what other people called someone who has 'sinned'. and as most people think in large like sheep they put the two together as one. easier to lump two 'bads' as one then split them.

Answer 2

I think you need to reread Ezekiel, I don't have my Bible with me right now, but there is no mention anywhere that I know of saying Lucifer has already been cast into the pit. That is prophecy which has yet to be fulfilled.
Lucifer is simply his angelic name, he was known as "son of the morning". He was an archangel, and the chief musician in heaven. He was cast down to the EARTH because of his pride.
Satan is his cursed name, if you will. Not sure of its origin, but the two are the same being, the two names just refer to different time periods.
Revelation speaks of Lucifer's final judgment.

Answer 3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer yes the Angel that got cast into hell...Satan or the Devil

(Hebrew helel; Septuagint heosphoros, Vulgate lucifer)

The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning" (Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the "Exultet" of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.

The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, "to lament"; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1:14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star. In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4).

Answer 4

Lucifer was originally a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The word Lucifer was the direct translation of the Greek eosphorus ("dawn-bearer"; cf. Greek phosphorus, "light-bearer") used by Jerome in the Vulgate. In that passage, Isaiah 14:12, it referred to one of the popular honorific titles of a Babylonian king; however, later interpretations of the text, and the influence of embellishments in works such as Dante's The Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, led to the common idea in Christian mythology and folklore that Lucifer was a poetic appellation of Satan.

Answer 5

As it has already been pointed out, Lucifer is the Angel of Light. "Satan" is a Hebrew word which means, "Enemy."

Lucifer is a fallen angel. Fallen angels are called: "Demons or devils." Lucifer is the chief devil. "Satan" is simply a generic term for Lucifer.

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Answer 6

christian religion has incorported ideas pf other religions, satan was originally used by the Hungarians to frighten people into good behavior. They did not see the need to promise rewards. There were various levels of punishment depicted in drawings.

Answer 7

Its ta-bu to talk about it but in Principe is the same sat-an is the s.h.i.t made surroundet from fire als a sign that no sole or not enny kind of lite does not exist in him.SATAN its the ugglyness and dirty.

so evel is evel name it whatever other stupidity it still do`NT mater cose is the same.

Answer 8

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."

Henry Neufeld (a Christian who comments on Biblical sticky issues) went on to say,

"this passage is often related to Satan, and a similar thought is expressed in Luke 10:18 by Jesus, that was not its first meaning. It's primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon . . ." Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers first to the fall of that earthly king...

How does the confusion in translating this verse arise? The Hebrew of this passage reads: "heleyl, ben shachar" which can be literally translated "shining one, son of dawn." This phrase means, again literally, the planet Venus when it appears as a morning star. In the Septuagint, a 3rd century BC translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, it is translated as "heosphoros" which also means Venus as a morning star.

How did the translation "lucifer" arise? This word comes from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Was Jerome in error? Not at all. In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

Therefore, Lucifer wasn't equated with Satan until after Jerome. Jerome wasn't in error. Later Christians (and Mormons) were in equating "Lucifer" with "Satan".

So why is this a problem to Christians? Christians now generally believe that Satan (or the Devil or Lucifer who they equate with Satan) is a being who has always existed (or who was created at or near the "beginning"). Therefore, they also think that the 'prophets' of the Old Testament believed in this creature. The Isaiah scripture is used as proof (and has been used as such for hundreds of years now). As Elaine Pagels explains though, the concept of Satan has evolved over the years and the early Bible writers didn't believe in or teach such a doctrine.

The irony for those who believe that "Lucifer" refers to Satan is that the same title ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') is used to refer to Jesus, in 2 Peter 1:19, where the Greek text has exactly the same term: 'phos-phoros' 'light-bearer.' This is also the term used for Jesus in Revelation 22:16.

Answer 9

Satan, Gods tempter
Lucifer Gods devil

Answer 10

Satan is a group of angels who disobeyed God.Lucifer is the leader of the group.

Lucifer does not always does mischef. he also sends his followers!