Don't you think...?

Question

It is all too convient that many traditional martial artists CLAIM to have powerful strikes and techniques however they are TOO EFFECTIVE to prove. Either that or they are against fighting (how and why are they training people to fight) so they can't ethically subtantiate their claims.

It's seems that these chi warriors can't win a fight without poking someone in the eye or kicking in the nuts.

Yo fatty, the thing is they can't defend themselves, because they either lack any real experience or their techniques don't work.

I'm sorry to awaken you to the truth but if someone has a katana, and they know how to use it, you will not stop them empty handed. There is no technique you can use to kill them before their blade moving at a hundred feet per second cuts you. I'm sure if you play matrix style and you ask someone to swing slowly and not try to hurt you, you could come up with a million things to disarm them.

If you can't withstand someone punching and kicking you to get inside, how can you expect to kill or maim them?

Answer 1

Maybe poking someone in the eye or kicking in the nuts is their too effective technique.

It's mostly just acting and BS. If they were really that good they would be working for the government or military doing Remo Williams crap. Instead, they're just actors trying to put up a front and sell something (gym memberships, themselves as "deadly", private lessons...). It's no different then bragging to a girl that you're hung like a bull becuase if you are going to prove it then it doesn't really matter.

Answer 2

Power and speed in ANY striking techniques comes from training and not what discipline is being studied whether it's a traditional Martial Art or not.

So no I don't think that it's all too convenient, people're gonna brag and strut no matter what anybody says, unfortunately this' gonna happen as well in Martial Arts, and by you calling their bluff and looking for a fight with them only shows that you can be as ignorant as they are for boasting about who deserves bragging rights.

so what if they wanna brag and don't back it up? I could care less personally.

in the better part of the 15yrs I've trained in Traditional Tang Soo Do; I've never found the need to show off or brag about what I've learned. because those who've truly understood what Martial Arts is about knows that there's no need for calling attention to themselves.

But I know that if the time comes (and there have been plenty of times that've come up in the past) for me to defend myself has been well worth the time, effort and money invested in the classes; because while I don't like fighting because it's only allowing yourself to lower your self and not be the better person about the situation, but at the same time I'm not gonna stand there and let someone sling me a beating either.

but yeah it is frustrating to know that there are people who train in Martial Arts just so they can say they know Martial Arts and act like the biggest billybadass on the block, but to challenge them and call their bluff is no better either because you're allowing these individuals to push your buttons.

Answer 3

I think you have a distorted view on traditional martial artists due to either being subjected to too many hokey movies or else experiences with "bullshido". If this is the case, it isn't your fault or your view alone, unfortunately.

There are many schools and teachers that are sub-par and have never had to test themselves in an actual situation. Some even go so far as to use the word "magic" in their slogans...ie USSD teaching the "magic of the martial arts". There is nothing magic about it.

I have been a traditional martial artist for over 16 years. Obviously, I haven't been doing martial arts since birth, so you can figure I am at least in my twenties (which I am). At my age, one doesn't really have the opportunity to get into too many real fights, unless looking for it! Does this mean my techniques go to waste or I have never been given the opportunity to prove their effectiveness? Nope! When I have to and have no other resort, I have used my experience to defend myself and others effectively and successfully. That being said, I do not go out and look for venues to put on an exhibition or to "prove" what I can do.

Along that point, many people forget the "arts" in "martial arts". A great deal of martial arts is philosophy and prayer. In fact, most Chinese martial arts have sets/forms that are actually representative of Heaven and Earth and are prayers in themselves. There are also codes of conduct involved such as Jin Woo or Budo which state to not use martial arts irresponsibly. It is to this end why most refuse to "substantiate their claims".

I know it's frustrating to hear somebody claim to be able to do something, only to refuse to do it. He/she should probably not speak up to begin with in that way.

Answer 4

Western people tend to see martial arts as a better way to beat someone up, or knock them out. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Eastern martial arts came from oppressed people, who were forbidden to own and carry weapons, and who could be killed at any time by their oppressors.

Consider: You are an Okinowan confronted by a Samurai, who has decided to cut you in half to test the edge of his brand new sword. (this was quite leagal back then) You are allowed no weapons, so all you have is your body, (i.e. hands/feet/elbows/knees/etc.). This man has been practicing with the sword since he was eight.

You have a half a second to stop him, or you're dead. You cannot allow him to live, since resisting a Samurai is a death sentence for you, and your family, and will also cause reprisals against your entire village. Your only chance is to kill him, and hide the body and pray his dissapearance is never traced to you.

So....do you dance around and "fight" him, like UFC? No, you step in and kill him, right now, no wind-up, and the first one of you to strike lives. That is what the original martial arts were for.

You can not use that sort of attack in today's sporting events. Even though they say there are "no rules", there are rules, and certainly laws about murder. Martial arts are not American street fighting with "cool kicks" thrown in. The Arts used in sporting events are watered down, with the killing and maiming techniques removed.

Answer 5

There really are deadly strikes.
Throat strikes- you would have to be a fool to want one of these demonstrated on yourself.
Sporting martial arts and traditional martial arts are very different. As someone already pointed out. One is about winning a shiny object while the other is about surviving a situation. Kumite has it's place as an exercise but it is not a 100% accurate simulation nor would I want it to be.
Do you believe our military forces are learning techniques too powerful and dangerous to demonstrate? I do. They are learning real techniques for combat. Would you want a US Marine to fully demonstrate a technique on you to prove it works? That would be foolish.
Deadly techniques exist.

Chi force energy techniques- BS, get out of town. I do not believe it.

Answer 6

Why is it that people are so insecure in themselves that they have to try and trash others? I don't get on the "mystical chi" bandwagon either, but neither do I trash talk those that do believe in it. Sure there are plenty of pretenders out there, but who cares? They always end up showing their true colors in the end.

Training in the martial arts in not training in fighting. Physical compat is a last resort of the peaceful man to protect himself. Fighting is what immature kids do when they start in with the "my dad can beat up your dad" mentality. Martial arts is about self defense, self confidence, self esteem, and self control, not "my sensei can beat up your sensei".

Yes, I've studied well over 20 years in various martial arts, I've competed and won my trophies, and I've defended myself without ever having to resort to my physical training. I've never needed to "prove" myself or my techniques to anyone.

Answer 7

Yes I have heard of that MANY MANY time. I think the reason they do this is because they got in that style class without doing any real research at first. So by the time they have already trained for 4 or 5 years, the instructor already brain washed them. So when deep inside they finally realize that their style is bullshido, they keep hoping that one day they will manage to learn some weird secret that will make them most powerful person on the earth. So they decide that they need to bark so they choose to run around and try to tell everyone about how deadly they are in hope no one will ever pick a fight with them.

Next time they start to run their mouth, simply grab them and sweep them off their feet to floor them. That will usually scare them and make them think twice before they start to talk and hopefully it wake them up from all false sense of secure.

Answer 8

Our traditional instructor taught us to deal with "visitors" from sports styles with respect and without hurting them. However there was no rule that said that we could not make them look silly. If you live near Philadelphia, go watch the kata team at the Philadelphia Karate Club at 222 south 45th street and afterwards tell us if you still want to fight with these folks.

Answer 9

My theory is that these guys claim to use chi to hide the fact that they are getting old. Nobody really expects an 80 year old man to beat up a 25 year old man no matter how good he is. They have to maintain some superiority, so they have this whole chi thing.

Answer 10

at least, they can protect themselve rather then just sitting down and cry while waiting for help!!