If mathmatics is god because it is as absolute as it gets...?

Question

from what source did the perfection of mathmatics and the clockwork of the universe derive? Surely not from man, for man is simply revealing the mathmatical realities. Is it possible that the pure perfection of mathmatics that ties all of the sciences together occurred randomly? Is there not room for a Grand Mathmatician known as god?

Answer 1

Good point. What people fail to see is that mathematics is not an invention, but is actually a discovery. Even before the great mathematicians, mathematics has played a significant role in the universe: keeping the orbits of planets in ellipses, causing projectiles to rise and fall in a parabola as they move throughout the air, and, when combined with physics, keeping in control a lot of other kinds of natural phenomena. Mathematics has been a part of the universe for as long as it had existed, but it took humans a long time to discover a LOT of it.
When Isaac Newton came up with calculus, was he said to have invented it? No. Textbooks will tell you that he DISCOVERED it. Many other things, such as combinations and permutations that govern how many sets one can make using a certain number of items have also always existed. Math and other sciences, such as biology, chemistry, and physics, have been in existence long before humans became aware of them.
The point you make is interesting. If math has been around before we existed, then who created the math and physics that govern how the universe works?

Answer 2

Mathematics is not created by Mathematicians. It is discovered by them. Mathematics consists of those necessarily true statements that one can make about contingent logical systems.
So Mathematical absolutes are always of the form "If X Then Y" where X is a description of a logical system and Y is a necessary truth about "X". A mathematician has no freedom to make things otherwise. 7 is a prime integer and neither you nor me nor any god could cause seven to not be prime. Mathematics does not occur randomly it is absolute and necessary. Mathematics does not have a source, I believe it is primary and everything else is based upon it.

I would never call mathematics a god. Math does not have those properties associated with gods. It doesn't create anything. I really don't believe anything is ever "created". It is rather pointless to worship Mathematics. It doesn't drown babies or impregnate virgins. I do not believe in gods. Gods are the foolish dreams of primitive people.

Answer 3

Your question makes a common assumption: That all things have a 'source', merely because we cannot conceive of things NOT having a source. This is a human failing however. Just because we cannot imagine that things could exist without having 'started' somewhere or having a source from which they derived, does not neccessarily mean that such a 'source' exists. It is quite probable that things like mathematical law have ALWAYS existed and we simply didn't know it because we weren't present.

Answer 4

Math is not god. Math is not 'anything' really. A set of concepts that are interally self-validating.

This is a novel attempt at 'proving' god, so I'll give you props for that at least. It's refreshing to see a new idea once in a while.

Answer 5

No the Mathematical formulas are products of mans inquisitiveness. Stop trying to prove that which is unprovable. Most people believe in god out of faith. For them its enough to know he's there and they don't care weather it took six days or four billion years to get us to where we are today.
Tammi Dee

Answer 6

Once the mathematical equation equals out it self there you will find God.

Answer 7

many areas of mathematics are not absolute.

Answer 8

hmm hmmm hmhmmmmm numbers suck