Are we due for a counter-revolution of Polically Incorrect Women?

Question

If you have become frustrated, as I have, with the excesses and indignities of the rhymes-with-richy women who claim to speak for all women, and actually only speak for those who agree with them on all issues, let's start talking back when they assume we go along with them. Let's answer with reason when they start their "all men are beasts" routine. Let's give them HECK when they claim that we have to do this or do that "because it's good for women" (or "because it's good for children"), without any analysis or debate. Let's REALLY get uppity and demand that they allow us to stand by our man if that's what we want.

Betty Freidan said feminism implies socialism. She was right: it implies treating people as categories, not as individuals.

2manydogs, what I am trying to say is that (a) I am not a feminist, and (b) I think they need to be responded to, so that people don't get the idea all women agree with them.

And I don't know anything about Paris Hilton. Should I?

Answer 1

I hope so.

It would be nice if we had a sudden influx of influential women who recognized the natures of both strong, caring men who need to be allowed to be men (conquerors, guardians, builders, explorers, etc.) and women who need to be allowed to be women (caretakers, homemakers, socialites, nurturers, etc).

Because right now, the destruction of the family unit is the single greatest contribution to the destruction of Western Civilization.

Answer 2

First of all, realize that a philosophy or ideology is made by all types of people. It takes conservatives on one side to hold on to the old ways and make sure that what is historically valuable isn't tossed out to make room for the new. It takes revolutionaries (bit chy women, from what you imply) to push the agenda forward into new territory. But it takes all the rest of us, living somewhere along that spectrum, to advance feminism.

And by feminism, I mean the right to be paid equally, to vote, to own land, to have a will, to own your own body, to manage your own money, to buy a house, to travel alone if you wish, to be an autonomous person in your own right. A feminist is someone who believes that men and women are inherently equal, and that there are wonderful and crappy things about each gender.

So I'm wondering, exactly, what your question is.
1) Who are these women who you claim speaks for everyone? Names, please.

2) If someone cannot hear another side to an argument, then their argument is weak and they know it. We all like to be validated in what we believe, but who and what exactly are you talking about? More details, please.

3) Obviously not all men are beasts, nor all women x, y or z. When you start using words like all, none, always, never -- these are words of extremism. No one is all one way all the time.

4) Analysis and debate are very good tools to use to sort out what is too conservative (old-fashioned, out of date, fuddy-duddy, fearful) from what is too revolutionary (impractical, too one-sided, etc.). Always think and reason. This is a positive good.

5) Stand by your man or your woman if you want. No one says you should not. I do think, however, what most of feminism is saying is this: be able to stand on your own and support yourself first before marriage. Enter into a marriage as an equal partner. Marry because you want to, not because you have to. I don't know anyone who could argue with that; it seems eminent common sense to me.

6) Socialism does not imply treating people as categories, not as individuals. Sorry I haven't read Friedan, so I'd like to know the exact quote and some more on why you think this. I'm not sure if I agree or not. I would say that it's not fair to tar and feather everyone with the same brush. Socialism implies taking care of all people on a governmental scale. Individuals, though, yearn to be treated as distinct and worthwhile by everyone else, from family to friends, neighbors and colleagues. I want to hear more of what you think about socialism versus individuation and individualism.

Cheers, K, who's all for being subversive and un-PC if that's the more direct, straightforward, down to earth route, and who is not particularly loyal to one philosophy... I like many

Answer 3

The main question sounds intriguing. But I got lost in the details. BTW are you implicating Paris Hilton in any of this?

- a little confused

PS good day Woman of Tommorrow

Answer 4

I don't much bother with who and what some women say, live your own life and be happy and let these women live there lives's and be unhappy.because that is what keeps them coming back to anger us women ,in gore them.

Answer 5

Count me in!!

I don't want to be controlled by man-hating lesbians any more than by men!! Let them burn their own bras, I like mine the way it is!! And I hope they forget to take them off first. lol lol

Answer 6

What the heck are you trying to say?