Do you believe in the Rapture before the Tribulation Period?

Question

We would all like to excape the terrible time and even hope too. If we are on this earth at the End Times, we will suffer and have to lay down our life for Jesus Christ..

Scary Yes

Also, remember that God has allowed His most devoted servants to suffer incredibly in this life, even up to the point of martyrdom like John the Baptist, Steven, James and Antipas. Moreover, many prophets of God were killed by Jezebel in her day (1 Kings 18:4, 13). But most noteworthy is how the Father allowed His only begotten son, Jesus of Nazareth, to suffer horribly and then die on the cross for all of mankind. God's love permitted all of that to happen and will also allow for the last generation of saints to face the antichrist

If you love your life, you will lose your life.

Many fine Christians have only been presented one view of the rapture and that has been the pre trib view.

The bible really teaches post trib rapture.

Though this truth may be disturbing, please know that it is always best to know the truth..

Many will overcome by dying martyrs at that time (Rev. 7-9-17) and that will occure before the rapture Rev. 20:4-6

Another thing that bother me is, if all the christians think they will not be here at the time of Tribulations,

wouldn't that be when Satan come in and decieves everyone......

Yes don't get me wrong to escape suffering does sound nice and great, but be prepared either way....

2 Thess 2:3
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will NOT COME unless the apostasy comes FIRST, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction

Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord had come. Let no one in anyway deceive you, for it will not come unless the Apostasy come First,a nd the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

also i wondered why would God tell us about all this thing to come in Revelations if not to be prepared to go through them...RIGHT

Answer 1

i think jesus us coming back before the tribulation ends but before it gets real bad

Answer 2

It isn't because we want to escape, that is different entirely, but that there are passages that indicate a parousia, a carrying away. It isn't a hope so or "get out of Dodge" thing. It is a biblical thing.

Matthew 24, 25; John 14:3; Acts 1:11, 3:20-21; 1 Thessalonians 2:19, 3:13, 4:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 1:7; Hebrews 9:28; etc.

Notice the progression in Colossians 3. Verse 4, "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory" comes before, descriptively (obviously numerically, but the context is the issue), "the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience" in verse 6. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 describes one, but in 2 Thessalonians 2 the issue is revisited. The first issue is to affirm, likely countering malicious teaching that they missed it already, that it hasn't happened yet. Note, that the corrective is not that it wouldn't happen before troublesome times, but that folks that should hold the expectation were still here and still have cause to watch for it. Verse 7, though cryptic, is the primary indicator--who is hindering? It is only after someone (notice the personal pronoun) is "taken away", then, verse 8, the evil one can be revealed.

Another tack, consider Jude 14-15 in part, "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all...." Compare that to Revelation 19:11-14, which describes Jude's "Lord" coming and, verse 14, the crowd in heaven following. But notice in verses 7-9, where the "marriage of the Lamb" takes place with the words "Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb" in verse 9. Paul speaks of the church as being the bride of Christ and in Ephesians 5 he describes the husband/wife relationship and concludes the remarks with "but I speak concerning Christ and the church" (v. 32). It would be interesting if Jesus had a marriage but the bride wasn't present, and then He came and concluded the troubles on earth.

That is why, along with several other little supporting indications, we make some assumptions or estimates on the order of the final events. These things make it a reasonable possibility.

Answer 3

i'm sorry yet i did not study the completed project..... yet to respond to your significant question, the rapture will ensue in the previous the tribulation because it says so contained in the bible. The rapture is even as each and every of the believers, useless and alive, will upward push up and be with the Lord for eternity. it truly is what Jesus changed into speaking of even as he reported that the day of the Lord will be like a thief contained in the evening. You in no way comprehend even as that is coming. the finished Tribulation on the different hand will take in effect when we go away, the believers, have already gone up contained in the rapture. that is going to very last 7 years (some say 3 a million/2 years) and there'll God once back provide those a probability who have not commonly used them to settle for them. The bible also tells us that in this time those who trust will by martyrs because those non-be;believers would have killed them. or in case you made it 3 a million/2 years secretly without demise you'd be presented up back after we, the believers, contain God on the clouds to damage all evil. and then demise should be the perfect to go. that's likewise called Armageddon. Did i answer your question?

Answer 4

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Yes. I believe that we will, as Christians, escape the Great Tribulation. The End Times are these times.

The rock that Moses struck was a type of Christ. He was only supposed to strike it once. God judged Moses for striking it twice. We are the body of Christ. And THE body of Christ has already been struck with the wrath of God.

There will be those that never converted during the Great Tribulation that will wake up. They will be living for a part of the time in that Great Tribulation. Many of them are taken up in the middle portion of the Great Tribulation. And them more at the end. Those at the end will raise up to meet the Lord in the clouds. That's the Second Coming. Then there will be 1000 years of Christ ruling on Earth.

There will be no other religion at that time. Islam, and all the others, including Jews that don't recognize Jesus as the Christ, will be converted then.

What a great time that will be.

I wonder, the Parable of the Talents, where Jesus is talking about giving saints cities to rule over, if that isn't an occurance at that time.

Answer 5

I believe in a a pre-trib rapture...but I also accept that I don't know everything and as time goes on and I see events that are happening around me I fear that I could be wrong. Especially with some of the dreams I have been having lately - but that's another story.

Even though my denomination believes and teaches a Pre-Tribulation Rapture timeline (pretty much the same as the Left Behind Series has the sequence going) I feel that the Rapture will happen shortly after the beginning of the tribulation.

There are good arguments for both sides of this opinion. I don't think anyone will know with 100% certainty until it happens. I just know that I pray for the Rapture to come soon.

Answer 6

I believe so. From Rev. chp 6-19, there is no mention of the Body of Christ as we know it. However, there are mentions of those who will be killed by the Antichrist for not worshipping him. I believe these will be the last ones to gain salvation (Note Revelation 14:6 and 14:13, which I believe the first half of ch 14 coincides with the end of ch 13, as it speaks of the earthly and then jumps to a view of the heavenly).

However, the concept of a mid- or post-Trib rapture is a little strange.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." - 1 Th 4:16-17. If there is a Post-Trib rapture... what Christian is alive to be raptured up? There won't be, as they'll all have been killed off by the Antichrist.

There also lies another problem...
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." - Matt 24:36 and
"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." - Rev. 16:15.

If the rapture is mid- or post-Trib, then it negates those two verses... you can indeed know the general time of when it happens... it would happen in a period of 3.5-7 years once the Antichrist arrives (meaning even less time than that, since he would need to rise to a world power, instead of being a mere media figure). And as each day passes during his reign, "The rapture comes tomorrow" becomes a very real prediction (something Jesus said could be done). Yet... can you guess when a thief will rob you? No, a robbery comes suddenly, and it is gone seemingly as quick as is came. It happens when you least expect it, and often, when you are totally unprepared for it.

Also, look to the parable of the workers (forgive my eisegesis, I know that's bad form, but I feel it's necessary to use it as an example to fully explain my view)... how the ones hired at the end get the same pay as the workers hired in the beginning... yet only had to do a little work, while the ones in the middle had quite a bit to do, and the ones in the beginning had much. The first Christians had much work to do, having to withstand the rule of the Sanhedrin, the hatred from the Pharisees, and the bias from the Romans, *plus* get the early Church going. We in the middle, we still have much to do, but it is merely the labor of evangelism, teaching, healing, and so on. Those saved at the end have but two tasks : say "no" to the Antichrist, and die at his hand.

Even though I believe in a Pre-Trib rapture, I have prepared myself for a Post-Trib rapture as well. Better to be safe than sorry. I firmly believe in "Hope for the best, expect the worst", and while I anxiously await Jesus' return, I also gird myself for the temptation of the Antichrist. Because as long as I don't know when it's going to happen, I need to be prepared for either.

Edit : (after reading 2 Th) Welp, you do have a point. However, still that does not negate the fact that we won't know when Jesus will arrive. AFAIK&C, it could be the very moment after someone figures out who he will be, the very moment after he's born, the very moment after he's revealed himself to his best friend, the very moment after he's revealed himself to the False Prophet, or the very moment after his rise to power and and Tribulation begins... Who knows. I don't, and I don't care... I just treat every day as my last on earth, and await His arrival. In the end, our salvation is not partly dependant on believing when He'll return... but the fact that He will.

Edit : To Sharpie... the word "rapture" is, in Greek, "harpazo", which means in literal English, "caught up". The Latin translation of "harpazo" is "rapiemur"... from this word, we get the English word "rapture". Certainly "rapture" is not in the Bible, but "caught up" (which means the very same thing) is found in 1 Th 4:17. Did you also know that the word "Bible" isn't in the Bible either, but Scripture is? The thing is, they both mean the same thing, but noooooo onnnneee complains about that, do they?.

Answer 7

I believe in the Bible 100%. The Bible teaches this, so I know that it will come to pass.

It's not scary for me because I am saved, so I won't go through the Tribulation. If I am still living, I will be caught up in the Rapture.

Many have and still do die for Jesus. For whatever reason it had to be that way. There are many ways of suffering for Jesus besides torture and death, and God's saved people do suffer at times.

We still remain faithful, hopeful and believing.

Answer 8

RAISED UP AT THE LAST DAY

WHAT IS THE LAST DAY SPOKEN OF HERE?

IS THE TRIBULATIONS 150 YEARS FROM SATAN CAST DOWN TO EARTH?

John 6:39,40,44 [ Raised up at the last day ]; Rev.14:1-6,7 [ Is 144,000 [ a rapture ] ?

THEIR HEADS HAVE BEEN CUT OFF AS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION?

Rev.20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
WHAT IS THE BEAST AS ALL ARE NOT HITLER AND HOLOCAUST RIGHT ?
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [ Firstfruits Rev.3:12; get eternal life ];
Rev.20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [ Others alive get eternal life at end of reign];
FINAL CLEANSING OF EARTH ENDS 1000 YEARS IS FOREVER FOR THE CLEAN.
Rev.20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall
reign with him a thousand years.
John 12:47,48 Firstfruits judge own self by WORD.
Firstfruits die for the word of God, get eternal life in the new heavenly Jerusalem as Priest of God and Christ ]; Rev.6:9-11 [ killed in the tribulation and raised up to wait for the period to end ]; Rev.12: 1-6, 7-11 [ Judging themselves by the word ]. 12 Satan has a short time, they are in the tribulations to the last with Michael Dan.12:1-13 to the
1Thes.4:15-17 [ 2670th year after Babylon WHICH IS 58 YEARS FROM YEAR 2006 ];

if raised up over a 150 year period, with more than 5, 000 being year 33 to 98 CE from the time of Christ and these of the 144,000 are the firstfruits, bread and wine partakers, elect, born again, the Bride of the Lamb, the head of the body, the ones coming down out of heaven from God ]; Rev.3:12; 21:1-5; Gal.4:26; the mother of us all.

Rev.9:1-5 [ 5 x 30 = 150 day years? The pit is open for Satan? The sealed of God are present to see it is a time of trouble as the prophecy given by Daniel covers 2520 years for Satan and the full seven ends and that is 1914 after Christ or 92 years ago to year 2006 CE and Rev.9:12-16 bring the world into Euphrates trouble the angels prepared for 391 day years from published word to world = 2002 established, and the published word 1611 + 303 = 1914 an excepted translation to tell us all that is to happen at the end of the full seven. Rev.17:10-14; Those of the 8th make war with the Lamb and his Bride called and the chosen are with him, so the 8th is last and does not last long ]; Rev.17:14 against Satan's end and his very own 18; Rev.18:1-6;

Dan.12:1-7 [2500 ], 8-10 [2520 ], 11 [ 2x 1290 = 2580 ]; 12:12 [ 2x 1335 = 2670 less the end of the full seven and bible excepted 2520 is 150 years for Daniel and John ];
Rev.12:6-11,12; 150 years to last day Rev.20:1-6,12,13; the 1000 year day of Christ.

The raised up, or caught up is yes, the rapture in this case does not apply or God would have put it in the bible Rev.22:18,19; The math is removed and rapture or trinity and other words to define what the bible makes clear in the first place, are words not even needed.

Answer 9

Yes I do. I tell you what since I have been out of church I have lost most of what I have studied. My mind went blank when I first looked at this question. Well here is more.
No the word rapture is not in the word of God, but its easy to see.
1 Thess. 4:15-17 please read cause to much to type. But this says that Jesus shall decend from heaven and the dead in Christ shall rise first and we which remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord.

NOTE: Notice Jesus does not come to the earth here. He stands in the clouds and waits for us.

Next time you see Jesus coming back is in Revelations 19, and this time He comes to the earth.

NOTE: Thats why in Revelations 19 this is called His second Coming cause First time he came to earth as a baby and second time He comes to earth is to bound satan.

Answer 10

The word rapture isn't even in the Bible (kjv). But then, there are so many different versions these days that one of the versions probably has that word in it. There is no pre-tribulation rapture. That is something people have made up because it sounds nice and soothing. Who wants to go through major tribulations? Not many people. It is easier to hear what one wants to hear. There is only one word of God. He says that He will preserve His word forever.

Answer 11

I'm jewish by religion, so all that stuff is rather ... sketchy to me.

I think the prophesys in the christian bible as to the end times, will probably have something similar actaully happen.

but I think its almost all entirely misunderstood.

honestly a rapture type thing, NOT being here, would be the worst thing I could imagine.

why would you not want to fight for your God? to fight evil and such, in a literal sense as well as a metaphorical one?

do those who want to be vacumed up to watch from the balcony, rather than fight and be part of it all... really have so little faith in God, and so much fear of death, that you'd rather simply watch, than be a champion for God, defeat evil, and risk your life for your God?

for me... one of the most thrilling, exciting, wonderful prospects I can think of, is to have the opportunity to fight for my God, fight against evil in a real way..
why would anyone WANT to be pulled out of that?

edit: Desjardin, might I ask what text and whatnot that you get that from? I have theorized that the whole "rapture" thing is removing those who are not ready to be here during the end times, from the plane. (not neccesarily evil... though I had theorized at one time that was part of the whole thing as well)

it just doesn't make sense that the people that should be the best in fighting for god, and so on, would be, or want to be, sucked up to watch the events from the sidelines?