Has anyone been able to convince you that crime is okay?

Question

The pro-illegals and anti-illegals keep going back and forth. I have seen the same arguments used many times. Have you seen any arguments that made you rethink your postition?



(or are all pro-illegal arguments bullsh*t?)

Answer 1

Actually the more the Pro-Illegals talk the more I dig in. I have not seen one argument yet that would give me pause to rethink my decision. I seen some pretty wacky tries though.

Answer 2

Pro illegal:
Law is too complicated to be complied with by an immigrant (every naturalized citizen I know had to live illegally for years to have enough money to get a lawyer to help him live here legally),

increased enforcement would lead to illegals not paying taxes (the IRS doesn't rat to INS about illegals, so many pay taxes--if that weren't true they wouldn't.)

Illegals do jobs no one else wants--I know a pretty racist guy who hires a lot of illegals even though he wouldn't normally--they are the only ones he can get to work--no white people want the job.

You can't stop it--they are here. Now what do we do?

Anti-illegal:

Illegals keep wages down and take jobs from everyone by working for less than other workers.

Illegals take money and services from our government without putting money into them.

Illegals could have motives other than making an honest living, such as terrorism, drugs, gang activities, etc. What other laws are they breaking?

They are trying to make this country like theirs.

I guess the most compelling thing for me is knowing a restaraunt owner who is loved by the whole community, who came here on vacation, and a civil war started there, so he didn't go back. He made money at the restaurant and eventually bought it with a partner (who was also from the same country and in the same situation). Ten years later they are legal, loved members of the neighborhood, and their restaurant even made the front page of the Washington Post. I wouldn't want to keep people like that out of here--we need some of that spirit, and there aren't many white people who go from dishwasher to owner--the white people are all looking for a better job, not trying to make their job better.

Answer 3

I don't need to see any arguments about crime being okay. it is not okay for people to out right kill others . It is not okay to kill just to kill. It is not okay to take the lives of any one except the killers.. It is not okay to murder .. You have seen arguments about anti-illegals and pro-illegals.. so you say. many times.. If someone you love is just out right murdered for the fun of it . come back and state your question again bet you wont...

Answer 4

The illegals, mostly from Mexico keep trying.....they keep giving us that sob story "they only want a better life BS." Well, there are many immigrants here who did it the right way and I am sick and tired of Mexicans thinking they are special and don't have to go by the rules like everyone else. Good question.

Answer 5

No one has been able to convince me that crime is ok, and until they do, I will stand firm against illegal immigration, since it is a crime. And yes, all pro-illegal arguments are bullsh.it. Once they grasp the fact that they are supporting criminals, I think they will shut up.

Answer 6

Of course. Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld. They have declared, officially and publically, that the law may be ignored at will as long as the reasons as sufficient.

So, we've already established that the law doesn't matter. And that it cannot be enforced when popular opinion is against it. So, trying to argue that the law should apply to some people and not to others is a lost cause.

Answer 7

It depends on how you define crime. "Crime" can include smoking a joint, running a stop sign, or many other things. In my book, it's a crime that lesser-qualified often minority females are getting jobs under the ruse of affirmative action over more highly qualified white men. So, no, this crime is not okay. The "crime" (if I were to see it that way) of illegals coming into this country to do jobs that lazy Americans won't do (farm work, janitorial, etc.) doesn't seem so bad when you put it in the proper perspective. So it all goes back to one's definition of crime. For me, there are many crimes that are okay, and many things that aren't considered to be crimes that are not okay.

Answer 8

There is a distinction between desperation and courage, between the actions taken in hope and those taken in despair. Yes, it is a perilous journey that takes many lives, and for questionable gain or advancement, but it is nonetheless a journey that eventually will lead to exactly where it started: Poverty.

For as the masses swarm to our borders, and plea and evade and struggle for opportunity, they almost certainly face death or backlash, from their own and from those they live amongst.

There is no honor in Mexico. There is no voice for the masses, the impoverished, the illiterate, the poor. They are drowned, suffocated, denied, abandoned and ostracized. And for them to continue in this manner, there is only agony and death to console them. Are we unjust and immoral to deny them entry into our nation, our economy, our lives? Or is their patron, that teetering, corrupt, moral haze of a nation called Mexico truly the immoral, the unjust, the despicable and callous? I believe your heritage and your traditions and your homeland should mean something. Should mean something TO YOU. And if there is no justice in Mexico, finding it in the US is going to be more and more difficult, as the hopefuls arrive, they increase in number, as hope and opportunity decrease in turn. There is no endless fountain within our borders, there is no excess capacity, no place to go, no refuge, when all who seek to unchain themselves from their own morass, come onto our shores and find themselves perpetuating the very thing they seek to escape.

The brave and courageous and hopeful deserve a better Mexico, NOT a better United States, and to them I say, the land of the Aztecs, the land of gold and silver and surf and sand is YOURS, not Mexico City's, but YOURS. It is your right to live a peaceful, hopeful and fruitful life in your homeland, and failing to rise up against the challenges around you does not save your family, your offspring or your destiny, but merely postpones the inevitable. A better Mexico makes for a better Mexican, and it is in the hands of these hard-working, striving, industrious and diligent people that Mexico must be delivered. White collar crime imposes a false imprisonment on these men and women who caravan to our border. They are cast aside, shipped off to be in someone else's care, someone else's accountability. But the truth, the reality, the obvious call that is unanswered, is Mexico's. And to Mexico these immigrants should look, for a better opportunity and a better life, in the land that gave their birth, they should also find their life.

Answer 9

No Illegal is illegal. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is usually the ones who dont have do deal with the problem directly that are pro-illegal.

Answer 10

The rap and hip hop community has declared that crime is seen as the way to thrive in society.