How will the USA ever be able to pull out of Iraq when the Iraqi Army is still aiding the insurgents?

Question

Pleas no Bush shouldn't have us there comments. We are there and thats that.

Yes it was documented in the Columbus Dispatch that Iraquis are not stopping the insurgents at checkpoints and all kinds of other mischief.

Answer 1

That's really odd. During the last year I've been over there, Iraqi Army personnel were the favorite target of most of the various insurgent (primarily Sunni) groups. Saw and heard more of them get shot than any other group, including us and Iraqi cops. Infiltration by the Badr Corps and Peshmerga into the Iraqi Army is another matter entirely, as we're not fighting either of those groups, nor is their interest in seeing Iraq descend into complete anarchy.

You really need to elaborate on the source of your attribution. It'd be interesting to see where it comes from.

EDIT: Okay ... you elaborated. On the TCPs (Traffic Control Points):

The Iraqi security forces are lazy. Yes, lazy. I've seen them at work, worked with them, and more than once had to pick up the slack. They like to take long siesta breaks and basically slack off on checkpoints. If they're not checking vehicles with insurgents in them, the vast majority of the time it's not on purpose, it's because they're lazy. When it is, chances are a select few individuals have been paid off or are doing it not for profit, but because they belong to the same tribe or have other ties pre-existing to that Iraqi Army troop being recruited (such as a Shia working in his hometown).

As for "other sorts of mischief" you'll have to provide details, since you didn't provide a URL.

EDIT: Okay, I got curious and searched for the URL. I found this:

http://www.dispatch.com/national-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/09/25/20060925-A3-01.html

I point you to this line (emphasis in caps is mine):

"They’ve been doing this all week. They’re working against us," said Sheehan, who resorted to WAKING UP THE SENIOR IRAQI OFFICER AT THE CHECKPOINT to complain — futilely."

Laziness. Simple laziness. Laziness isn't active collaboration.

As for the other mischief you pointed to:

"During another mission, Iraqi soldiers were suspected of looting the house of a wealthy resident, U.S. troops said."

Okay, here's some perspective for you:

Unemployment in Iraq is endemic. Always has been, since the biggest employer in the country was - I kid you not - the military, and that's been brought down to a far smaller size now. We demobilized a lot of those Iraqi men, and many ended up joining the quarter million criminals that Saddam emptied out of his prisons in 2002 to form criminal gangs doing double duty as insurgent groups for profit.

Iraqi soldiers are hired on an open contract. That means at any time, they can pack up and quit. This leaves units undermanned constantly, so many unit commanders don't push for hard work on their boys fearing a mass exodus. Iraqi soldiers are more often in it for the paycheck and paycheck alone. When profit is your motive and you've got guns, the temptation to go bad isn't that hard to succumb to. Sometimes the occasional carjacking gang will be rolled up, and surprise - it'll have Iraqi security forces captured moonlighting.

None of this stupidity indicates that active collaboration with the insurgency where Iraqi troops are fighting Americans is the norm. And this does nothing to change the fact that there are good troops, and good cops in the Iraqi ranks who have been given a really bad set of cards by their ex-dictator and the subsequent mess after his removal, and are trying to make good out of it.

So there's your answer. Iraqi Army aiding the insurgents? That's not the story.

Answer 2

Last I heard the Iraqi army, such as it is, was one of the primary targets of violence. From what I can gather, not having been there, for most practical purposes there no longer is an Iraq, just an arbitrary line on a map around an area now being fought over by Shiite, Sunni, Kurd, and U.S. supported combatants. The use of term "insurgents" is also problematic. From their own viewpoint they are freedom fighters trying to rid their homeland of an Imperialist Foreign Invader who has occupied their land in order to take control of their oil fields. The fact that we don't see it that way is irrelevant, as is any attempt to argue to U.S. audiences that they shouldn't either. It's not our people you have to convince. An occupying army is a lousy way to show peace-full intent and a desire to help, and until we do show that we will continue to be seen as the enemy. One definition of madness is to keep trying a failed effort on the assumption that sooner or later it will give the result you want. That is what our current leadership is doing, and as long as they continue, our military will have no choice but keep lots of body bags in stock.

Answer 3

CIA on the mass making provocation on sunni and syiah war.
USA already invaded Iraq for a long time to suck up all richness of oil.
USA is using Iraq as military base for another offensive attack against Iran. And many fairy tales will appear in news and tv at bed time for many USA people to hear about the same tactics Terrorist = Fascist = another new word / phrase will appeared by english teacher, Mr. Bush.
Invasion is must for USA to ensure the stability and prosperity of Israel in mid-east.
War will more happening and more disastrous include nuke weapons if USA still provoke the peace of the world.
Now, the world felt USA is a treat that one day all countries in this world have a reason to eliminate USA from the map.

Answer 4

yes, we are there to stay ... and imo that is exactly what the plan was to begin with. also imo the american intelligence operatives have designed the whole situation as an excuse to stay ... or do you actually think the administration wants to get off of sitting on top of the worlds largest oil supply? lol, no. in fact, they want to build up strength in the region and bring iran into line with US policy as well ... in the end when the overall vision of the administration is realized, the US will effectively be in control of 70+% of the worlds oil supply and have pipelines installed from the gulf to the caspian sea and through the balkans ... dont think for 1 second that the US sitting in the oil capitol of the world is just a coincidence resulting from a fairytale war on "terror".

Answer 5

IFF the Iraqi army is help the insurgents (and I've not seen any conclusive evidence of this) then it is time for us to leave. This would mean the situation is set for an ongoing civil conflict.

While not as good as a democracy, it is clear the Iraqis neither are ready for, nor deserve, democracy yet. They will have to fight for and earn it for themselves.

Answer 6

They will tire of the insurgence and get rid of them. The insurgency has gone from idiology to a drug culture. Their new belief is get high, blow up/get shot and go to Heaven. That sounds more like Jim Jones than Mohammed.

Answer 7

With great difficulties, but then again " Mr No Name" will most likely declare it was never a war, just a battle America lost, not a war. " Mr No Name " will by then be back on his ranch and counting the monies he and the oil and weapon manufacturers made while chasing none existing WMD's and bringing 3000 body bags plus back home to America. Mind it, not Texas, a good 'ol Texas Coward, sorry Cowboy, like " Mr No Name " would never been seen dying for a body bag.

Answer 8

There is no solution. We are in a huge mess over there and I can't see it going in any other direction than downhill. You cannot defeat terrorism militarily. You only wind up breeding more terrorists. The only answer is to destroy all of the extremist schools and make them illegal, use the police force to treat every countries terrorists as criminals, and use a huge counter educational campaign to teach tolerance to the youngsters in these extremist countries. I'm sorry, but Bush swings the united states military like a big dumb baseball bat.

Answer 9

Simply. Come back home. Leave the country. why did US troops die for the ones who did not deserve to get the right things. Let them fight themselves. It is Iraqi civil war. US can not control it. Leave it and go home. that is

Answer 10

In ten years time there will be no Iraq. It will disintegrate into 3 states.