Let´s just examine the logic of paradise according to the answers for the structure of heaven?

Question

Cubikman has read my thoughts... If a soul goes to Heaven with all the mind´s baggage, it will inevitably get bored after a while, but even worse, an instinct filled soul would clash with others exactly the same way they do here on Earth and endanger the very structure of the place with strife and violence. Now if the soul is stripped of memories and instincts and if Heaven is a timeless place, one would be unable to recognize his/her kin and friends. With no timeframe, there´d be no cause and no consequence. Happiness is finally the ability to compare a present state with other states and appreciate a lack of suffering and a buoyant emotion... but without time how? That´s one of the aspects that makes me an atheist. What do you think?

Sorry will, that doesn´t wash. It´s just something you say to avoid the subject.

Answer 1

Agreed. The concept cannot survive even a cursory investigation from a curious intellect. But aside from the logic, I'd never get to see anyone I really liked.

(Another part of the logic I heard once has to do with what pleasure or happiness themselves could ever mean outside the realm of the physical. Even if the mind is not equal to my physical brain, it is certainly at least a epiphenomenon OF my brain. Soul without body??Maybe. Mind without brain? mmmm)

Answer 2

Seems to all depend on your belief. Reincarnation theories seems to support the end of life, you go to some heavenly place for a while, either you get bored or you wish to have a new and different experience so you come back to Earth (or maybe some other planet with life) and live a new mortal life again. For those that caused misery, they may have to come back and experience misery. Those that did good, have better choices for their return.
Mainstream religions mainly focus on some heavenly reward, but not much details are given. The Bible mentions that only a select few will go to heaven, the rest will stay on Earth with perfect bodies and the ability to build a paradise here on Earth. Big project that will be, no?
As for being an Atheist.....no way I could be convinced of that. Your belief follows the lines of life arriving by accident. We live, we die, and that's it...no memories, no feelings, just non-existence. So why live then? Why not put those that are miserable out of their misery as an act of kindness? In fact, why have kindness? It just gets in the way of getting whatever I want, the most of what I want so I can have the best life possible. We'll all go to the same place in the end, so does it matter?
Still think life is an accident? Here's a hypothetical situation. Suppose you have a giant bowl. You toss in the bowl 2x4's, nails, glass, wiring, concrete, etc. In other words, everything you need to build a house. You spin the bowl, shake the bowl, hit it with electricity, water, heat, light, etc. You do this for millions of years. You think you'll ever get a house ready to live in? I think not! Yet we're much more complicated than a house. What's left then? Intelligent design.

Answer 3

You're wrong on a few points. First of all, only the saved get to Heaven. Because of this, the saved would not have an instinct to fight with other people. Second, a new body is given to a person who enters heaven, free from fleshly desires, which cause us to sin. All of the desires that make humans flawed would then, in effect, be gone, because the new body would be flawless. Therefore, a person would not even be able to want to incite violence and strife. And, who said the soul is stripped of its memories? It doesn't say that happens immediately in the Bible. When the poor man (Lazarus) went to Heaven and looked down into Hell, he was perfectly able to recognize the rich man. This indicates that we still keep our memories in Heaven. Also, why would a person not be able to recognize an old friend or a family member in a timeless place? Is not all of the Earth timeless? Is not all of the universe timeless? We are finite as creatures, but, without a doubt, we already live in a timeless place (the universe), and we are still able to recall who we know very well. Your reasoning doesn't imply that one would forget his or her family members and friends in Heaven because Heaven is timeless.
And, finally, what is happiness? How are you able to define it the way you do? Your definition of happiness as the ability to compare a present state with other states does not make sense either. A baby who has known no suffering can still experience happiness in many instances, such as when it gets what it wants, or when it is amused or delighted by something. That baby has not subconsciously compared moments of happiness to those of suffering (especially if it has known no suffering) to decide to be happy; it just is. A baby feels happiness even when it has felt no other feeling before.
You might want to rethink your arguments. They're pretty flawed.

Answer 4

I always get a chuckle out of anyone that says they would get boarded in heaven. People travel days to look into the depths of the Grand Canyon.They marvel at how the colors change at different times of the day because of the way light strikes the canyon walls. Many spend hours just watching then there are people who tell me that though the Greatest Thing in the Universe is there they would get board... Jim chuckles....

Answer 5

Heaven is a state of being. In that state all that we are is renewed and purified in His grace. Therefore, what baggage the souls has is cared for and solved before the state of Heaven. And the union of Heaven is harmonious. You cannot equate the state of bliss with our earthly sinful state.
May the Lord bless and keep you. May He let the light of His face shine upon you.
God's and your beast of burden
Fr. john

Answer 6

I merely regarded up Acts 2:27, 31 and 32 (KJV) and it says no longer something of Jesus going to hell. yet i visit inform you this, hell isn't heaven. Heaven is paradise, an area of no discomfort, no sorrow, no starvation or thirst. Its perfection! Hell, nicely... no longer a lot. Its an area called the "Lake of fireplace". Granted, i'm better of a wintry climate man or woman, yet that would not sound so very reminiscent of paradise to me. i'd be able to respond to your question better effective if I had the version.

Answer 7

That is from the once saved always saved teaching of some Protestant groups of which I used to belong to one.

Take a look at the Catholic Teaching on Heaven, in short, nobody gets into Heaven until they are a Saint.

Nobody.

This is the only logical explanation, otherwise you are correct, there would be the same problems in Heaven that there is on earth.

So, obviously not many of us (including me) are likely to die in a state of Sainthood in the eyes of God, so as long as we are not so bad as to descend into hell, what happens to our souls?

We go to Purgatory, not hell, not necessarily even punishment, but a time for us to make all things right with God and understand him, as long as it takes, to atone for all of our sins and shortcomings on earth.

I hope this helps!

Peace!

Answer 8

Your inability to comprehend Heaven has absolutely no bearing on whether or not there is a God. You can believe in a supreme creator without believing in Heaven. I do not comprehend Heaven either. I don't think the human mind can grasp such a concept because we are limited by the physical world and our understanding of time,space, and dimensions.

Answer 9

I think it is pointless to try to figure it out with three pounds of rotting worm food that can only and sometimes barely wrap it's mind around concepts based on our own experiences and unserstanding. How can we imagine, explain or explore the idea of operating outside of time when that is all we have ever known.
How can we understand perfection when we have never known perfection.

IMHO, I think that in heaven we will still have choices to make. We will be, and our surroundings will be perfect in the sense that everything operates as it was created to without breakdown- we will be given perfect bodies and we will have a perfect understanding of God's word, but it will still be up to us to walk in it by choice and to serve God by choice. Beyond that I would not try to fathom what heaven would be like and how it "works"

Answer 10

Thierry, brilliant question, excellent thinking, but if you don't mind me saying, slightly naff avatar? Anyway, I never cared about the structure of heaven nor ways to persuade believers of its nonsense before but this has given me interesting new ammunition to put up before those who might accuse me (like you) of "thinking too much" (for that is an insult in some quarters). Kudos.