Atheists please tell why and what?

Question

I understand that u r a big bad intelligent guy/girl and u have decided that man is the result of evolution and the universe is the result of the big bang (one catchy name!). The question is do u have the sufficient knowledge of both science and religion? Did u actually stare deep into those theories? Did u know that the theory of evolution, a classic example indeed, is almost laughably flawed?
Did u know that all proposed scientific theories on the areas of creation and existence have as many flaws as the religion of the dumbest tribe of skinny dwarves in Middle Africa?
I’m Muslim and our religion doesn’t conflict with the laws of science, on the contrary, the Qura’an includes passing references to Embryology, Astronomy and Geology; which were proven astonishingly correct many centuries later, but my point is that science fails to present a flawless statement to where we came fromand social science will never tell us what the purpose of our lives is

Man always needed mystical concepts to explain such things; an approach which u atheists rejected. I need to know if u r all aware that u just chose one of two equally illogical arguments (which doesn’t make u any smarter than my average religious person by the way)And to those knowledgeable ones of u (whose answers to the above were yes; yes; yes) please tell me
1-Why does your heart go with science?
2-What do u demand from a given religion so u would embrace it?

It’s okay to tell me your own theory to what is our purpose in life too

Madnoelle hun u need to search the Qura'an for that thing about the 70 virgins before u say that.
This myth was started bya movie named 'the siege' starring Denzel Washington (who also happened to act as Malcolm X in another movie!! it's all about the money, eh?)

look at all the name calling....

Mr. Skinfliet I thought I made myself clear on where exactly does science fall short

Mr. DuckPhup
'God did it' is just like the big bang. This is the very meaning of the word 'theory' relying on assumptions that cannot be verified or measured. If believing in God makes me foolish then your 'faith' in the big bang makes u equally foolish, delusional, ...(pour all that nice vocabulary of yours here) which is exactly my point. u r just automatically biased and blind sided AND YOU ONLY HAD ME REPEATING MYSELF.
Now back to the questions because u didn't answer any

Mr. Nabil just because some people strayed away doesn't mean Islam is false. We have scientists like Zaghloul Al-Naggar, Ph.D. dedicated to verifying the astonishing scientific facts I happened to mention. Unanimosity is impossible because there r sane men and there r insane men no matter how good the religion is
This 'answer' of yours doesn't answer me at all, though

Answer 1

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I am editing this message because I want to say something:

I am not really an atheist, but it is true I was struggling with myself over this issue over the past few months of my life. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings with this answer, but believe me, I was quite uneasy too. Something has happened today that convinces me there is a real God in this Universe. If it were not true, people would never have been nice to each other. If each person started living in a selfish way, this world would have been hell. Just because there are selfless God-fearing people in this world, in every religion including Islam, that there is peace and love. The opinions suggested by me previously are incorrect, and full of hate. I really want to apologise to you for I have hurt your faith in your religion. Please FORGIVE me.

I really had a change in heart. Please believe this.

Sincerely
Sayak (my real name)
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There are a lot of points you made. Let me try respond (and not necessarily counteract) each one:

1. Do we have sufficient knowledge of Science and Religion?

Answer 2

Well my friend, I'm afraid if you really looked at evolution with an open mind you would realize its not laughably flawed. Scientists aren't sure about the mechanisms behind it, but the fact that species have evolved over time is just that, a fact. Either way though, one key thing you are missing is evidence. Most creationists seem to do the same thing, use "holes" in the theory of evolution as evidence for creation. You can't present any secular evidence of creation, all you can do is point out "mistakes" in the best theory we have and say "look! that proves god created us!" Even if evolution is proven false, it doesn't give any more credibility to creationism than it does to the theory that a giant alien pooped us all out centuries ago.

Answer 3

I have a limited amt of knowledge about the Islam faith & science but I've heard the Qu'ran is similiar to the OT (which contains errors & contradictions) and there's some idiot promise about 70 something 'virgins' after a MALE Muslim dies...so enough to judge it unrealistic. I personally do not know enough of evolution to put blind faith in it or necessarily believe the 'big bang' theory, but I think the concept of a singular male deity is laughable
BTW, does your religion have passing references to the megaliths or the Great Wall of China? How about Buddhism & Hinduism-both which pre-existed the Islam religion and made no reference to a male deity with jealousy issues

Answer 4

At the very least, Atheists are not chained to a book. They can, if they so choose, be open to limitless possibility - including the transcendence of mythology itself. To quote one of my favorite intellectuals on the subject of the bible, Joseph Campbell said in 1985,

"One of the great promises of mythology is, with what social group do you identify? How about the planet? To say that the members of this particular social group are the elite of God's world is a good way to keep that group together, but look at the consequences! I think that what might be called the sanctified chauvinism of the Bible is one of the curses of the planet today."

I believe the same can be said for all book religions, the Qura’an included.

Do you not find it both interesting and very sad that Joseph Campbell made this statement 16 years before September 11, 2001? When are we all, Atheists and Theists alike going to view our interactions on a planetary scale rather than chauvinistically clinging to a specific piece of dirt known as "country" and a specific divisive fractured form of mythology known as "religion?"

This whole mess which fuels death and destruction is not only counterproductive to real peace but we are getting ever closer to anilating the planet and all living speices of life on the planet.

Book religions breed madness and hate simply because their followers view the "other" as "less." The time has long past for all of us to look at these religous works beyond the written word and into the mythological meaning behind them. If we did that, we would see that they are all stating the same thing.

Answer 5

Islam had passing references to embryology, astronomy, and geology proven correct by what, exactly? The scientific method?

I don't even know where to begin with you. Try buying an education and taking your head out of the pseudo-science websites. There are no skinny dwarf tribes in middle africa. Science never claimed to be infallable, and only you can tell yourself what the purpose of your life is, and yes, I have knowledge of both science and religion.

And by the way, if we relied solely on religion to tell us what we know about the universe, we'd still be living in the dark ages (something the radical islamicists wish to return to, I might add). It is through science, not religion, that allows you to communicate over this forum.

Answer 6

Interesting argument. You point out that the theory of evolution is flawed. Of that I can not deny. However, is your theory of being divinely created from dirt more or less flawed than evolution? Is the Big Bang theory more or less flawed than being created from nothingness. If you want to argue this then I'm afraid that you are destined to lose. You are quick to point out the mote in our scientific eye while simultaneously choosing to ignore the beam within your own religious view. Think of it as a trial. If you put both creationism & evolution on trial...based purely upon evidence...which do you believe would win? Belief cannot be entered as evidence in court. It only contributes to doubt.

Answer 7

interesting way to stereotype all athesists, but why is it that a person who doesnt care about the existence of a sumpreme diety is labeled as an athesist,,is that like saying all muslims are terrorists.. thats not the case is it?. you speak of science and evolution as being flawed.. yet forget tha such things as reigious texts were written by people who would have been afraid of a pistol,, and you talk as if being muslim is any better then jewish hebrew or catholic.. since when?.. when was the last war started by athesists?.. holy war? inquisition?. salem witch trials,, all things negative are started with holyness, yet all are atrocious examples of evil in the flesh..big bang? prove it,, as for religion i got two words for you,,,PROVE IT

Answer 8

There are many ex-Muslims atheists who used to be very religious and knowledgeable in Islam and they became atheist because they found out it is not the truth after practicing it for years and it has nothing to do with evolution theory and most of them hide their identity because they are afraid of prosecution.If Islam gives the freedom and the free well to it's followers and guarantees freedom of express like civilized nations you well see millions of atheists in Islamic world. Even in Islamic history and before these modern science there used to be atheists (zendeeq) because they think the Quran is not the truth and many of them were prosecuted and killed and there books were destroyed and not allowed to be published.

Answer 9

The foolishness that serves you as a substitute for knowledge and reason is a logical fallacy (a flaw in thinking) known as the "Argument From Incredulity"... which is a sub-category of the "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam" (Argument From Ignorance). It goes something like this: "I can't conceive of how this might have come to be; therefore, God did it."

That does not point to a limitation of nature... rather, it exemplifies a limitation of knowledge and/or intellect. Also, it is intellectually dishonest, since it does not (as scientists do) ACKNOWLEDGE the limitation of knowledge and/or intellect... it merely invokes the fanciful idea of a supernatural creator-entity to manifest the ILLUSION that your ideations map to reality.


'Faith' (wishful, magical thinking) is a substitute for evidence.

'Belief' (the internalized 'certainty' that you are privy to the 'truth' pertaining to some fundamental aspect of existence and/or reality) is a substitute for knowledge.

faith + belief = self-delusion and willful ignorance

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"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion." ~ Robert M. Pirsig

Answer 10

Racism offends me.

"as many flaws as the religion of the dumbest tribe of skinny dwarves in Middle Africa"

What would possess your mind to say such a thing?