Do not touch me," Jesus says, distancing himself from her, "for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single Being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a perichoresis of three persons (personae, prosopa): Father the Son and the Holy Spirit .
Also, why does God the Father only know the "time of the end" as stated at Matthew 24:36 and not Jesus?
Something to think about
2006-09-26 04:33:29 · 16 answers · asked by osubuckeye 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The "Trinity" is not accurate. Jesus never said he was God...he said he was God's son. Your research proves that Jesus is not God. He was praying to someone just before he died. He also said he had come to do his Fathers will not his own. I'm glad you have seen through the truth of the Scriptures. I feel sad for those who just believe church doctrine on blind faith, and accept it without doing research.
2006-09-26 04:39:19 · answer #1 · answered by Gail B 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋
This is the eternal debate about Jesus as God. In the first paragraph you state what Jesus has said many times, he also has said that I and my Father are one, and there lies the rub. The reason for no touching, is that he was in transition from the material to the spiritual, taking with him what we know as the human form. He is going to his Father, God as you and I will also.
There really is no conflict, if you are indicating that there is, cause of course God, is a spiritual Being without material form, therefor the Son would have to shed that which can not enter into the Spiritual realm, and the Holy Spirit is that which exist for all.
There is no conflict, for as Jesus and God where one, so are you and I as one with God/Son by the Holy Spirit. But even as we are one we are separate as God is the ONLY CREATOR who created the Son/us. Or another way of saying this is: like a drop of water is to the ocean so the drop possess all that which constitutes the ocean, a ray of light is as to the sun so is the light retain all the qualities of the sun. All in all, we are as One.
Because Jesus also stated that he would go before us, to prepare the way. Does this not imply that He too has much to learn. And even if Jesus knows the time of the end, would it be a message to tell mankind, as we are so delegate as it is, would we not just complete go nuts.
2006-09-26 11:56:21 · answer #2 · answered by kickinupfunf 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The "Trinity" idea is one way of trying to understand the confusing info in the Bible that sometimes seems to say Jesus is God and sometimes it clearly says He is not. (As Jesus said, "Why do you call me good? There is only one who is good and that is God.") The concept was created when the Christian faith was about 300 years old and had split into many different little sects, many arguing over these ideas. The word trinity is not actually in the Bible. It is only one feeble way to try to understand something that is too difficult for us to grasp. Another way might be to imagine that Jesus is like a mirror and God is like the sun. You can point at the mirror image and say "There is the sun." And you are both right and wrong.
2006-09-26 11:53:54 · answer #3 · answered by Wei_Veach 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
One of the most commonly misunderstood ideas in the Bible concerns the teaching about the Trinity. Although Christians say that they believe in one God, they are constantly accused of polytheism (worshiping at least three gods.).
The Scriptures do not teach that there are three gods; neither do they teach that God wears three different masks while acting out the drama of history. What the Bible does teach is stated in the doctrine of the Trinity: There is one God who has revealed Himself in three persons — the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit — and these three persons are the one God.
Although this is difficult to comprehend, it is nevertheless what the Bible tells us, and it is the closest the finite mind can come to explaining the infinite mystery of the infinite God when considering the biblical statements about God’s being.
The Bible teaches that there is one God and only one God: “Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!” (Deuteronomy 6:4, NASB). “There is one God” (1 Timothy 2:5, KJV). “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God beside Me’” (Isaiah 44:6, NASB).
However, even though God is one in His essential being or nature, He is also three persons. “Let us make man in our image” (Genesis 1:26, KJV). “God said, ‘Behold, the man has become like one of us’” (Genesis 3:22, RSV).
God’s plural personality is alluded to here, for He could not be talking to angels in these instances, because angels could not and did not help God create. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ, not the angels, created all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:2).
In addition to speaking of God as one, and alluding to a plurality of God’s personality, the Scriptures are quite specific as to naming God in terms of three persons. There is a person whom the Bible calls the Father, and the Father is designated as God the Father (Galatians 1:1).
The Bible talks about a person named Jesus, or the Son, or the Word, also called God. “The Word was God …” (John 1:1, KJV). Jesus was “also calling God His own Father, making himself equal with God” (John 5:18, NASB).
There is a third person mentioned in the Scriptures called the Holy Spirit, and this person — different from the Father and the Son — is also called God (“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit? … You have not lied to men, but to God” (Acts 5:3, 4, RSV).
The facts of the biblical teaching are these: There is one God. This one God has a plural personality. This one God is called the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit — all distinct personalities, all designated God. We are therefore led to the conclusion that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God — the Trinity.
Excerpts taken from Answers. Josh McDowell and Don Stewart. Living Books, 1980.
2006-09-26 11:41:24 · answer #4 · answered by williamzo 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Is only your lack of wisdom and faith to think about it. Then, why Jesus said that Him and the Father are One. Why He said that all the power in heaven and on earth it was given to Him. Then the Father was without power? You must think more i belive. Why He said to Philip, when you see me you see the Father. Because Jesus, the Son, was the human body, like a tent in which dwelt the Spirit, the Father. Is a hard question and only God can open the mind o a person to see the true, but what you are saying is contradictin the first commandment and can't be possible. Because, what God said in the begining never changes.
2006-09-26 11:38:40 · answer #5 · answered by Warrior_angel 2 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures alone quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.
(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation
(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.
(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God
(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God
(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak
(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am
(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him
(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father
(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God
(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.
(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him
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2006-09-27 22:58:48 · answer #6 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus wanted her to know that he was in a state of ritual purity. That may not mean much to us today, but then it was an important image. Jesus was about to rejoin the Godhead in a more literal manner than He had for some 33 years. If you had any understanding of spacetime and hyperspace, this would not even be an issue.
2006-09-26 11:50:20 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Doctrine of the Trinity? Is that a Catholic thing or some other denomination's doctrine? It's not in the Bible.
GOD existed first, that is why only HE knows the "time of the end". SInce Jesus went to be with HIS FATHER, HE knows the time also.
2006-09-26 11:38:03 · answer #8 · answered by Big Bear 7 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Not only did he call Jehovah his God prior to his resurrection,
He also did it prior to his death, "My God, My God."
and Surprise, surprise, surprise, he did it again 60 years after he was in heaven.
Rev 3:12,13 "my God"
Paul at Rom 15:5,6 said that we should have the same mental attitude of Jesus in that we should glorify his God and Father.
2006-09-26 14:16:18 · answer #9 · answered by TeeM 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
trinity only means 3. the catholic church made all 3 equal. Jesus never said that. He said "the father is greater than I" Jesus came to do the will of his father....which means he was beneath him in power. However, jesus and the holy spirit share in the divinity of the father since they proceed from him and the father shares his divine nature with them.
2006-09-26 11:39:10 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 3⤋