Why the greeks can't bare the fact that the ancient Macedonians were ancestors of the nowdays Macedonians(RM)?

Question

I would like a precise explanation about this problem. What is actually wrong with the Greek people and why are they forcing their own views of something that can be proven 100% otherwise. I thought that the fascism is history and the chauvinism tends to be history as well.

Answer 1

This seems to be one of the most complicated questions... but I think it has very simple answer: The Republic of Macedonia is a country which lays in the middle of the Balkans. The Slavs which settled this areas have mixed with the ancient Macedonians, who were not connected in any way with the greeks and were far more different (even physically) from them. So, the now-days Macedonians are ought to be the real ancestors of the ancient Macedonians, and the roots of Alexander the Great can be surely found somewhere among the inhabitants of the Republic of Macedonia.... I don't know about you, but I can't see any connection with Greece and the greeks... And I don't know why are they so much against this... Maybe the fascism lives after all... Or they are afraid to accept the truth and spread lies indeed, in order to justify their "theft" of Aegean Macedonia in 1913. Anyway, for me and the most non-greek people around, there is only one Macedonia and that's the Republic of Macedonia . The greeks can tell what they like, but they don't seem to be right... Grüβe zu Makedonien!

Answer 2

I am not a historian and history is not my interest at all. Anyway I had to be involve in this issue because the answers of some Greek fellows such as above will hurt every personality. It looks like that the dream of almost all Greeks is if the Macedonians "tie stones around the neck and take refreshing dive" as the fellow above recommended.
As I know from professors of history, there are five different theories about the events 3000 years ago, and in many of those academic books, we find the word "no evidents" in every second page. Why nobody talks about the history 100 years ago, 200 years ago, but you choose to talk about something so far ago? Why many Greeks here have to say "uneducated" to the others? Tell me what do you know about the history of Former Yugoslavia?

Answer 3

I would like to propose something to the greek fellas. First, this blahhh,bla,bla about the "real" greek history that is written around means nothing to most of the people. It is said that thousand lies become one truth, so it seems that the greeks have nothing else left, except to tell lies, but many and big ones (something like Hitled did). This time the lies can be sensed - they are contained in the big text written by "Semiramis" above. (I don't want to sound a bit rough, but as a historian, these are the mildest words an honest man can say). By the way, I would like to propose something to the user nicknamed "mortisha" (or something like that): If you can make so good suggestions, then why don't you take the first plane or bus to the Republic of Macedonia and bring this "suggestion" to the people there. Or maybe, you are afraid that you could be the one with the stone tied around the neck. Oh yes, don't forget to book a one-way ticket. And Semiramis, please be the one who will read history first. And tell something which comes from a non-greek or imaginary source. I quite wonder how can you greek people be so evil and spoilt. And please don't forget that some great nations of the world (the USA, Russia, China....) recognize this nation by its real name - Republic of Macedonia. (Where are you now, greeks?)
Mr. bojan_g, it seems that you have thought wrong... The chauvinism won't be history for quite a long time.

Answer 4

There has been much intermingling since the time of the Ancient Macedonians, with peoples of that area, Greeks,Romans others. Plus it is strongly thought today by many that Macedonians were Celts. Pehaps time will tell especially with advances in DNA testing.

Answer 5

The Ancient Macedonians were the inhabitants of Macedon and adjacent regions in ancient times. Historians generally agree that the ancient Macedonians - whether they spoke a Greek dialect or a distinct language - were absorbed into the Koine Greek-speaking population in Hellenistic times.Macedon proper constituted the coast plain NW, N, and NE of the Chalcidice (now Khalkidhikí) peninsula.The capital of Macedon from c.400 to 167 B.C. was Pella.
Herodotus in his first book wrote that the Macedonians were a Greek tribe left behind during the great Dorian invasion:

...for during the reign of Deucalion, Phthiotis was the country in which the Hellenes dwelt, but under Dorus, the son of Hellen, they moved to the tract at the base of Ossa and Olympus, which is called Histiaeotis; forced to retire from that region by the Cadmeians, they settled, under the name of Macedonians, in the chain of Pindus. Hence they once more removed and came to Dryopis; and from Dryopia having entered the Peloponnese in this way, they became known as Dorians. (Histories, 1.53.1)

On the origins of the Macedonian Roalty, Herodotus holds a record (8.137) about the youngest of three brothers from Argos, and how he, through his skill in accepting omens, tricked an oppressive monarch out of his kingdom. The story apparently describes the genealogical connexion between the Macedonian royal house (or Macedonians in general) and legendary Greek heroes. This theory was widely accepted among the scholars of antiquity.

In book eight, Herodotus counts the allied Macedonians as part of the Greek fleet. Titus Livius (lived 59 BC-14 AD) in his Ab urbe condita (31.29) is quoting a Macedonian ambassador from the late 3rd century BC, implying that Macedonians had been a Greek-speaking tribe:

The Aetolians, the Acarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the same language, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day.---

The late Nicholas G. L. Hammond, a historian, also supports that Macedonian was a Greek dialect:

"What language did these `Macedones' speak? The name itself is Greek in root and in ethnic termination. It probably means `highlanders', and it is comparable to Greek tribal names such as `Orestai' and `Oreitai', mean­ing 'mountain-men'. A reputedly earlier variant, `Maketai', has the same root, which means `high', as in the Greek adjective makednos or the noun mekos... At the turn of the sixth century the Persians described the tribute-paying peoples of their province in Europe, and one of them was the `yauna takabara', which meant `Greeks wearing the hat'. There were Greeks in Greek city-states here and there in the province, but they were of various origins and not distinguished by a common hat. However, the Macedonians wore a dis­tinctive hat, the kausia. We conclude that the Persians believed the Macedonians to be speakers of Greek. Finally, in the latter part of the fifth century a Greek historian, Hellanicus, visited Macedonia and modi­fied Hesiod's genealogy by making Macedon not a cousin, but a son of Aeolus, thus bringing Macedon and his descendants firmly into the Aeolic branch of the Greek-speaking family. Hesiod, Persia, and Hellanicus had no motive for making a false statement about the language of the Macedonians, who were then an obscure and not a powerful people. Their independent testimonies should be accepted as conclusive."

Read some history first and you'll see the difference between fyrom and Macedonia

Answer 6

You obviously have some serious issues. I would suggest you tie a stone around your neck and take a refreshing dive into the cool waters of Vardar (Aksios) river. The current will take you straight to the Thermaic gulf (Солунски Залив), and you will finally make your dream come true, you will have set foot (granted, a dead one, but we can't have it all, can we?) on the Greek land of Macedonia!

Answer 7

I have a problem with anybody that says 100%