Are we to believe that Jesus' suffering supercedes the suffering of all mankind? I disagree. There are human beings who have suffered MUCH, MUCH worse fates. Disease, illness, congenital deformity, torture... the list goes on and on. I would argue that humans tortured by Spanish Inquisitors suffered worse fates than Jesus.
Then, are we to believe that God was more sorrowful than anyone else who has lost a loved one? Is he the only individual who has sacrificed a son? How about all the mothers and fathers who have sacrificed their sons to war - both just and unjust?
I laugh at how Christians believe that the plight of Jesus and God was somehow worse than anyone else's in this crazy world. God has allowed much greater travesties and suffering to occur... Nay, he has not simply ALLOWED them to occur, he had an active hand in them during the Old Testament and admits it!
2006-09-24 07:43:42 · 6 answers · asked by doogsdc 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
LOL. It seems that many of you then claim that the REAL suffering was the metaphysical "suffering for our sins"?
He took all the sins of the world on himself?
How exactly, does someone suffer metaphysically? Did his soul endure pain in a metaphysical realm?
I find it laughable that you would give up and grant that his physical suffering is not superlative to that of others.
In a metaphysical realm, you have no body. You have no "C" pain fibers in your nervous system to feel pain. How, exactly, do you feel pain in a metaphysical realm?
I'll tell you:
You don't. Because:
1. There is no metaphysical realm.
2. Even if one existed, how could you have physical senses or emotions that all require physical structures and physiology to occur on Earth?
Suffering, shmuffering.
2006-09-24 08:08:37 · update #1
it also seems peculiar that its such a big deal on the sacrifice part..
... when he knew he'd come back.
honestly its not much of a sacrifice if you know for a fact that you'll come back...
I know I'd be willing to kill myself, or let myself be killed, if I knew for a fact that I'd come back.
2006-09-24 07:46:27 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
You don't understand the whole picture in the suffering of what Jesus did for us all. It wasn't just the physical death and pain that He endured for our sins. Since before the beginning of time the Word ( Jesus ) was with God and through Him all things were made. Ok now think about that for a sec. When He died on the cross He was also totally separated from God's light and love to truly pay for our sins. This is a pain that no man can fathom. You don't know what it is like yet, because we still have God's presence with us. It is not until you are cast into the abyss that you will know the absence of God. As Jesus said, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. As far as what God allows and doesn't allow, isn't it a bit arrogant to think that you know better than God. He tells us why He does certain things and is always just and righteous in His wisdom. But you would have to read the Bible to understand just a very small fraction of who God is. Jesus has given you the most precious gift you could ever ask for and you spit in His and God's face. I feel sorry for you. I hope that you one day wake up to God's truth light and love.
2006-09-24 08:01:08 · answer #2 · answered by celticwarrior7758 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
So what makes you think you are in a position to agree or disagree, to say what is true and what is not - the truth is the truth whether it fits your form or comfort or not.
Rethink things and start there. God is God and you are not - however you do have free will.
Look at God not at man - when you mention the the things above that is man - man is imperfect and so many think that man's mistakes are God's.
Yes - Jesus did have the sin of the world, of all man, on the cross. By faith is how you believe that - it doesn't have to be what you know or think through man's eyes - because this IS how God accomplished it.
He paid the price for you and I that no one else could. He was God in the flesh sent to save us. Now the question is - what do you do with it? Who do you say that Jesus is?
We rebel and deny this because we have chosen rebellion, but to accept it is to find the truth and eternal life.
Again, look at God, not at man. He is the author ot life, truth, of us. Maybe look at arguments for rather than against.
God Bless
2006-09-24 07:52:14 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
It is so hilarious to see you unbelievers who are so Biblically clueless struggle with the Scriptures to your own destruction.
Learn the Scripture , Mr Clueless...before you make totally foolish statments...
Jesus suffered for a reason...that reason was because of the Father sent him to accomplish the sacrifice for the SIN of mankind....get it?
You can suffer all you want because of Satan or because of selfishness and it will do you no good...
Now go read the Bible and quit being so ignoranT
2006-09-24 07:50:15 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
How many of your 'other people' had the sins of an entire world laid upon them?
You have no conception of suffering!
2006-09-24 07:47:20 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
sho enuf
2006-09-24 07:45:55 · answer #6 · answered by nicole 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋