What Christian sects and groups don't believe in Revelations?

Question

It seems like Revelations was added later by someone not connected to Jesus in anyway (even though most Christians believe John the apostle wrote it, this is highly unlikely, considering the author makes no reference to Jesus personally.) What Christian groups throughout history have discounted revelations? Keep in mind there is a lot of documentation proving Roman and early engineering of the Bible (the concealment of the Gospels according to Thomas and Mary Magdalin).

Answer 1

Many of what are termed "Liberal Christian" denominations pretty much refute the apocolyptic forecasts in Revelation. The Unitarian-Universalists come to mind first. They also denounce the whole trinitarian or tri-partate God-Son-Holy Spirit thing, and instead believe in one Higher Power. (Hence the name Unitarian.)
Trinity Church also places alot more emphasis on Jesus' teachings than the fire and brimstone stuff, as do alot of non-denominational Christian sects.
You're right about Revelation; most scholars now agree that John didn't write it while exiled on Patmos, but that instead it was a variance from the Book of Daniel, and his visions of the apocalypse. In fact Daniel is often referred to as the Revelation of the Old Testement.
And yes, there were originally hundreds of gospel accounts written in the decades after Jesus, and the Catholic church merely chose the four they felt were closest to the message the wanted to convey. You might want to read The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels. It has alot of exerpts from other groups like the Essenes in it. Thomas, whom you mentioned, was an Essene, and many feel th at Jesus was too.

Answer 2

Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ,
which GOD gave unto him,.......

In your first sentence you stated that Rev. was added later by someone NOT connected to Jesus in any way, and it's doubtful the Apostle John wrote it because he makes no reference to Jesus. Well, God inspired John to write Revelations, and its mainly about the end of times, And Jesus is mentioned in V.2, V.5, V.9, Ch12.V.17, but actually you really need to read the Bible more clearly John 10:30 I and the Father are one. So God being mentioned all through Revelation, thus Jesus is.


Oh yeah, I am a Christian, and yes I believe in Revelation

Answer 3

The ones who have brains.

I think you read the Da Vinci Code a few too many times. Jesus never existed. Oh there may have been a person who said a few nice things a few thousand years ago, but that was all myth. Show me a place, ANY place, outside of that discredited piece of paper called the bible, where there was a guy who ran around doing miracles and healing people, and claiming to be god.

Answer 4

ssshadii...Sorry, but you are wrong.
(Revelation 1:1-3) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw. 3 Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near.
There most probably have been 'groups' that have discounted Revelation, but they could not be properly called ' Christians'...followers of Christ Jesus. Jesus stated this; (Matthew 12:30) He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters.

Anyone against Jesus is working for Satan.

Answer 5

Please open your bible and see that the correct name of the book is Revelation. No S.

Answer 6

There was no " engineering" of the Bible. The Catholic Church defined in the Council of Cartage in year 397 AD which books would go into it by considering which were inspired by God and which were not. Some that were not inspired were good books but they lacked one or more requisites. These requisites were: apostolicity (written by the apostles or by someone who knew an apostle), and being coherent with the rest of the scripture, Here is a history of the Bible Canon:

•1000-50 BC: The Old Testament (hereafter "OT") books are written.
•C. 200 BC: Rabbis translate ONLY the first 5 books of the Tanakh (the OT) from Hebrew to Greek, the translation latter called the "Septuagint" (abbreviation: "LXX") would contain the Rabbis translation plus the translation of the rest of the OT done at Alexandria by Hellenized Jews and Hellenized Essenes. The LXX ultimately includes 46 books.
•AD 30-100: Christians use the LXX as their scriptures. This upsets the Jews due to the many discrepancies in the LXX not found in the Jewish Massoretic Text.
•C. AD 51-125: The New Testament books are written, but during this same period other early Christian writings are produced--for example, the Didache (c. AD 70), 1 Clement (c. 96), the Epistle of Barnabas (c. 100), and the 7 letters of Ignatius of Antioch (c. 110).
•C. AD 100: So Jewish rabbis meet at the Council of Jamniah and decide to include in their canon only 39 books, since only these can be found in Hebrew.
•C. AD 140: Marcion, a businessman in Rome, teaches that there were two Gods: Yahweh, the cruel God of the OT, and Abba, the kind father of the NT. So Marcion eliminates the Old Testament as scriptures and, since he is anti-Semitic, keeps from the NT only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke's gospel (he deletes references to Jesus' Jewishness). Marcion's "New Testament"--the first to be compiled--forces the mainstream Church to decide on a core canon: the four gospels and letters of Paul.
•C. AD 173 - Diatessaron:, a one-volume harmony of the four Gospels, translated and compiled by Tatian the Assyrian into Syriac. In Syriac speaking churches, it effectively served as the only New Testament scripture until Paul's Letters were added during the 3rd century. Some believe that Acts was also used in Syrian churches alongside the Diatessaron, however, Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History 4.29.5 states Tatian rejected Paul's Letters and Acts. [Note also that there were many books with the title of 'Acts', written about the same time by different writers. Moreover, at one time the Gospel of Luke and the Biblical 'Acts' appear to have been one continuous document.] In the 4th century, the Doctrine of Addai lists a 17 book NT canon using the Diatessaron and Acts and 15 Pauline Epistles (including 3rd Corinthians). The Diatessaron was eventually replaced in the 5th century by the Peshitta, which contains a translation of all the books of the 27-book NT except for 2 John, 3 John, 2 Peter, Jude and Revelation and is the Bible of the Syriac Orthodox Church where some members believe it is the original New Testament, see Aramaic primacy.
•C. AD 185 Irenaeus of Lyons:- claimed that there were exactly four Gospels, no more and no less, as a touchstone of orthodoxy. He argued that it was illogical to reject Acts of the Apostles but accept the Gospel of Luke, as both were from the same author. In Against Heresies 3.12.12 [10] he ridiculed those who think they are wiser than the Apostles because they were still under Jewish influence. This was crucial to refuting Marcion's anti-Judaizing, as Acts gives honor to James, Peter, John and Paul alike. At the time, Jewish Christians tended to honor James (a prominent Christian in Jerusalem described in the New Testament as an apostle and pillar, and by Eusebius and other church historians as the first Bishop of Jerusalem) but not Paul, while Pauline Christianity tended to honor Paul more than James.
•C. AD 200 - But the periphery of the canon is not yet determined. According to one list, compiled at Rome c. AD 200 (the Muratorian Canon), the NT consists of the 4 gospels; Acts; 13 letters of Paul (Hebrews is not included); 3 of the 7 General Epistles (1-2 John and Jude); and also the Apocalypse of Peter.
•C. AD 250 - Codex Claromontanus canon [11]: c. 250, a page found inserted into a 6th Century copy of the Epistles of Paul and Hebrews, has the 27-book OT plus Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, 1-2,4 Maccabees, Barnabas, Hermas and the 27-book NT plus 3rd Corinthians, Acts of Paul, Apocalypse of Peter but missing Philippians, 1-2 Thessalonians, and Hebrews
•C. AD 300 - Eusebius:, listed a New Testament canon in his Ecclesiastical History 3.3 and 3.25 [12]: Recognized are four Gospels, Acts, 10 traditional Letters of Paul, Pastoral Epistles, 1st Peter, 1st John; Disputed are Didache, Barnabas, Hermas, Diatessaron, Gospel of the Hebrews, Hebrews, Acts of Paul, James, 2nd Peter, 2-3 John, Jude, Revelation, Apocalypse of Peter; Rejected are Gospel of Peter, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Matthias, Acts of Andrew, Acts of John, and unnamed others.
•C. AD 350 - Cheltenham Canon ([13], [14]), (also known as Mommsen's): a page found inserted in a 10th Century manuscript, has a 24 book OT and 24 book NT which provides syllable and line counts but omits Hebrews, Jude and James, and seems to question the epistles of John and Peter beyond the first.
•C. AD 363 - Synod of Laodicea:- was one of the first synods that set out to judge which books were to be read aloud in churches. The decrees issued by the thirty or so clerics attending were called canons. Canon 59 decreed that only canonical books should be read, but no list was appended in the Latin and Syriac manuscripts recording the decrees. The list of canonical books, Canon 60 [15], sometimes attributed to the Synod of Laodicea is a later addition according to most scholars and has a 22 book OT and 26-book NT (excludes Revelation).
•AD 367: The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which we presently have them, is written by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in his Easter letter of 367. In Festal Letter 39 [16] listed 22 book OT and 27-book NT and 7 books not in the canon but to be read: Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobit, Didache, and the Pastor (probably Hermas)
•C. AD 380, the redactor of the Apostolic Constitutions attributed a canon to the Twelve Apostles themselves ([17]) as the 85th of his list of such apostolic decrees: Canon 85. Let the following books be esteemed venerable and holy by all of you, both clergy and laity. [A list of books of the Old Testament ...] And our sacred books, that is, of the New Testament, are the four Gospels, of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John; the fourteen Epistles of Paul; two Epistles of Peter; three of John; one of James; one of Jude; two Epistles of Clement; and the Constitutions dedicated to you, the bishops, by me, Clement, in eight books, which is not appropriate to make public before all, because of the mysteries contained in them; and the Acts of us, the Apostles. (From the Latin version.)-Some later Coptic and Arabic translations add Relevation and the Epistles of Clement.
•AD 382 - Pope Damasus I: is often considered to be the father of the modern Catholic canon. Though purporting to date from a "Council of Rome" under Pope Damasus I in 382, the so-called "Damasian list" appended to the pseudepigraphical Decretum Gelasianum [18] is actually a valuable though non-papal list from the early 6th century
•It was some little time before the African Church perfectly adjusted its New Testament to the Damasan Canon. Optatus of Mileve (370-85) does not use Hebrews. St. Augustine, while himself receiving the integral Canon, acknowledged that many contested this Epistle. But in the Synod of Hippo (393) the great Doctor's view prevailed, and the correct Canon was adopted. However, it is evident that it found many opponents in Africa, since three councils there at brief intervals--Hippo, Carthage, in 393; Third of Carthage in 397; Carthage in 419--found it necessary to formulate catalogues. The introduction of Hebrews was an especial crux, and a reflection of this is found in the first Carthage list, where the much vexed Epistle, though styled of St. Paul, is still numbered separately from the time-consecrated group of thirteen. The catalogues of Hippo and Carthage are identical with the Catholic Canon of the present. In Gaul some doubts lingered for a time, as we find Pope Innocent I, in 405, sending a list of the Sacred Books to one of its bishops, Exsuperius of Toulouse. So at the close of the first decade of the fifth century the entire Western Church was in possession of the full Canon of the New Testament
•C. AD 400: Jerome translates the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into Latin (called the "Vulgate"). He knows that the Jews have only 39 books, and he wants to limit the OT to these; the 7 he would leave out (Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach [or "Ecclesiasticus"], and Baruch--he calls "apocrypha," that is, "hidden books." But Pope Damacus wants all 46 traditionally-used books included in the OT, so the Vulgate has 46.
•AD 904: Pope Damasus, in a letter to a French bishop, lists the New Testament books in their present number and order.
•AD 1546: The Catholic Council of Trent reaffirms the canonicity of all 46 books