Think about, most people fighting abortion or Pro-life christians, but what about the god's plan: the idea that god decides our moment of birth and death. If gods plan was real, then that unborn baby was ment to die, and the mother and doctor who carried out the abortion are actually carrying out gods plan. And the christians who are fighting abortion are just trying to interfer with gods plan (which is immpossible to change, cause god is all powerfull and perfect) making their fight pointless?
2006-09-23 17:38:26 · 21 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Ok, you bring in the idea of Free will, but think about it, with gods plan, which cannot be changed because god is all powerful and perfect, the free will of man cannot change it
2006-09-23 17:45:14 · update #1
I'm atheist and do not support the idea of gods plan, I think that we do have free will, I'm just kinda seeing how those who do beleive in it respond when its put in a way to make it seem a bit less nice
and sorry if my english isn't very good, I need sleep.....
2006-09-23 17:47:37 · update #2
It is pointless, but not for the reasons you cite. Fighting abortion is pointless for the same reason prohibition was pointless. You can't legislate morality. When the government banned alcohol, they made millionaires out of the bootleggers; when they made drugs illegal, they made millionaires out of drug dealers; women who want abortions will get them, the only question is will they get them from a Doctor in a clean and safe medical clinic, or from a back-alley abortionist with a coat hanger. The concept of God's plan is antithetical to the concept of Free will, you simply can't have it both ways, but from a practical viewpoint, the only way to stop abortion is to stop unplanned pregnancies, and that will only happen when our kids are taught from an early age the principles of safe sex and prevention. The Christians still cling the notion that if you don't talk to your kids about sex, they won't think of it on their own. As a former teen aged boy and as a single father who raised a teen aged girl I'm here to tell you that that doesn't work. My daughter was a virgin at her wedding, precisely because I had educated her to the risks. Once the Religious Wrong stop fighting sex-education in schools, then we will finally have a shot at stopping abortion. In my ideal world those clinics would close from lack of use.
2006-09-23 18:06:11 · answer #1 · answered by rich k 6 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Essentially yes. Although your logic I think may be a little skewed. I do not believe God's plan for an infant would involve intentionally killing it. However, if abortion was banned, we would have people reverting to the old days when women died from doing back alley abortions with coathangers. Neither one is a real pleasant thing to think about. I think abstinence should be the focus of what we teach our children before we introduce birth control and such. There are very good reasons why a teenager should not engage in sexual activities. Not the least of which is the inability to fully understand the ramifications of what they are undertaking and the serious consequenses (std's , pregnancy, etc.) that can accompany such activities. An adult woman should know better than to use abortion as a method of birth control. A rape or incest victim is the only gray area I see to the argument for abortions.
2006-09-24 00:46:31 · answer #2 · answered by mortgagegirl101 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Abortion is not "a part of God's plan".
First of all, in the Mosaic Law, it is said that if two men fight, and happen to harm a woman who's pregnant, causing her to lose the baby, the men get put to death. The law was based on the "life for a life" principle, and therefore He considers an unborn baby a life, and the killing of it as murder, and God would not murder anyone, let alone an innocent baby.
People have free will, and therefore do what they want? Why do bad things happen? Satan, bad people, our own mistakes, and pure chance. God is not behind these things. It's sickening to think that someone would say to a parent that their son died because "God needed another little angel in heaven." What kind of cruel being would God be to do such a thing?
God doesn't choose our day of birth and death. It happens. God may have knowledge of it, if he does peer into the future to see it, but he doesn't cause it. God isn't actively causing every little thing. We have a choice, and if we didn't, wouldn't life be unfair to those who do horrible things, as God caused them to do it?
2006-09-24 01:16:05 · answer #3 · answered by The Silent Wind of Doom 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
God does have a plan for our lives, but we have free will. Assuming God has complete control assumes we have NO free will and everything you do in YOUR life is completely meaningless. God will accomplish his purposes with or without your help, but abortion is still murder. God's plan does not involve murdering innocent children. God doesn't need us to carry out his plan, and it is not our job to decide when a baby dies. So, are you saying that you don't really have a choice of whether or not you're going to kill that child?
Here's an better example, on July 24, 1984, a man named Dan Lafferty walks into his brother's wife's house. He slits her throat and then goes into the nursery room where a ten month old baby is in her crib and slits her throat. (this all really happened). Now, are you honestly saying you would go up to that woman's family and say "Hey, tough luck, but that's just how God wanted it. It's a good thing no one was there to try to stop Dan, because that was God's plan."
your idea is pure ignorance and lack of biblical knowledge. please go do some research on the attributes of God.
2006-09-24 00:50:30 · answer #4 · answered by Michelle 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋
We all have choice and free will in the matter. God is not a puppeteer that makes the world dance to his beat. He loves us enough to let us decide and choose our own actions. And He does not guarantee that our choices will be loving, honest, and selfless.
The mother and doctor are not carrying out God's plan, because God was explicit that humans are made in His image and are formed in the womb and that we are not to take a life. Abortion denies the rights and dignity due to an unborn human and is a choice against God's will. That is why people fight to change those choices into acts of selflessness and dedication to the fundamental rights due to any human in any society at any point during their life.
2006-09-24 00:46:41 · answer #5 · answered by velvet 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Then by your philosophy all murders are planned by God, and the murderer is but a tool? So Ted Bundy is actually a servant of God and was carrying out the lord's will?
I think it's obvious that this life is a test and that we are given freewill so that God can realistically see the outcome of our minds and actions.
Yes there is a point in fighting it, because if it becomes illegal, most (if not all) women will be forced to give birth, even if they give that child up for adoption. That child then is allowed to live a life. What if your parents had wanted to get rid of you?
2006-09-24 00:43:38 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
And what happened to responsibility - the kind that keeps a girl from getting pregnant in the first place? You truly believe that irresponsibility is God's plan? What a load of hooie! What happened to prevention? What happened to common sense? Abortion should not be just another means of birth control. Too bad you can't abort HIV and AIDS as easily as you can end a life! How about we bring back responsibility, morals and decency and stop making your own failures God's fault.
2006-09-24 00:44:43 · answer #7 · answered by Emm 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
it's an interesting question to wonder if what is would still have been regardless of the events that lead up to it. it's an age old question that pits will against fate
as for abortion, the choice to have or not have an abortion is NOBODY's business but that of the mother and her doctor; it is in no way, shape or form an issue for the public to decide. neither is euthanasia, for that matter.
as for religious zealots, the next thing i'll be hearing is that i shouldn't treat my hemorrhoids because they're there because god wanted me to have them!
2006-09-24 00:52:29 · answer #8 · answered by buffysummers 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Mmmmmm....good question. These are the same people that protest taking a vegetative person off life support with the same argument, "It's against God's plan!" But, wasn't it against God's plan to put them on a machine in the first place?
I totally get it! They certainly are arrogant in thinking that they are they ultimate authority for what God has in his plan...like bombing planned parenthood is what God really wants us to do today!
2006-09-24 00:45:07 · answer #9 · answered by Chellebelle78 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
I think fighting abortion is pointless for the simple fact that Christians believe that God gave us free will. If that's the case then why interfere with someone else's choice that has absolutely nothing to do with you. It's just another way of forcing one's belief system onto someone else.
2006-09-24 00:43:54 · answer #10 · answered by Tiacola Version 9.0 7 · 4⤊ 1⤋