A question for atheists?

Question

If God did not create the universe, how did it come into existence? The 2nd law of thermodynamics disproves the big bang theory, and even Darwin recanted his own theory on his deathbed. But if God didn't create everything, then WHO did? You can't get something from nothing...SOMEONE had to have created all the matter in the universe....

Answer 1

Let's start by getting our facts straight. Darwin never recanted his scientific theories. Here are a couple of sightings:

>>The "Darwin recants evolution on his deathbed" legend is just that - a
legend. Apparently made up by an evangelist of the time named Lady Hope.

Some information on this can be found in the FAQs for the
soc.religion.christian newsgroup:
http://athos.rutgers.edu/pub/soc.religion.christian/faq/darwin
There are also items on other Christian "urban legends" like Joshua's
missing day, 666 in bar codes, and the supposed FCC petition to outlaw
religious broadcasting.

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Other websites giving more accurate versions of the Lady Hope vs Henrietta Darwin story are available in my sighting list.

Secondly, I urge you to more thoroughly study thermodynamics. There is insufficient time and space here to go into a questioning and anyalsis of your statement that the second law of theromodynamics disproves the big bang theory, particularly since you don't even offer an argument, logical or not, for your statement.

If there is anything that gets me going its creationists who try to "scientifically" prove their point through unresearched, unsubstantiated and/or misrepresented stories.

Finally, your assumption that there had to be a 'who', that all creation requires a conscious force leads to a connudrum. If our world had to be created by an orginized conscious being because we as complex conscious creatures cannot evolve independently, then who created the complex conscious being that created us? And who in turn created that being? If your answer states that God just existed, then God must have evolved independently and therefore complex conscious beings can evolve independently and we, as complex conscious beings, didn't need a god to create us.

The truth is that the best we will ever do in answering the "how did the universe come about" question is theory; no one was there, there are no log books, no first hand accounts.

Answer 2

It's a myth that Darwin recanted on his death bed, and even if it weren't it wouldn't make any difference.
The second law of thermodynamics does not disprove the Big Bang theory. I don't know where you got that one from.
And the Big Bang theory does not suggest something came from nothing. All the matter in the universe existed beforehand, however at that point the curvature of space was infinite, meaning that all of the universe was in one infinitely small ball.

Answer 3

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Darwin didn't recant on his death bed, that's a popular myth. The second law of thermodynamics does not disprove Big Bang.

There's a lot of things we don't know, and I'm fine with that. What you're doing is claiming to know things about the beginning of the Universe that you really don't (like, for instance, there being nothing before). Big Bang says it started with a singularity, but we don't know how that singularity came to be. Perhaps we'll never know. This is not a problem for science, but it's very alien for religions.

Answer 4

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics does NOT disprove the Big Bang. Darwin did NOT recant his theory on his death bead. Apparently, you have been getting your information from the infamous 'Liars For Jesus' (LFJ) web sites, such as answersingenesis.com. Apart from that, though, the foolishness that serves you as a substitute for knowledge and reason is a logical fallacy (a flaw in thinking) known as the "Argument From Incredulity"... which is a sub-category of the "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam" (Argument From Ignorance). It goes something like this: "I can't conceive of how this might have come to be; therefore, God did it."

That does not point to a limitation of nature... rather, it exemplifies a limitation of knowledge and/or intellect. Also, it is intellectually dishonest, since it does not (as scientists do) ACKNOWLEDGE the limitation of knowledge and/or intellect... it merely invokes the fanciful idea of a supernatural creator-entity to manifest the ILLUSION that cognitive dissonance has been resolved.

'Faith' (wishful, magical thinking) is a substitute for evidence.

'Belief' (the internalized 'certainty' that you are privy to the 'truth' pertaining to some fundamental aspect of existence and/or reality) is a substitute for knowledge.

faith + belief = self-delusion and willful ignorance

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"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion." ~ Robert M. Pirsig

Answer 5

Darwin didn't recant anything, mostly because he didn't feel he had anything to recant--that story is a myth. The man never said humans evolved from apes, never denied the existence of God (Origin of Species makes numerous references to a Creator), and certainly never said anything about the Big Bang Theory.

I honestly think that, outside of holy texts, Origin of Species is the book most often misrepresented by people who have never read it.

Answer 6

start with a clean slate, throw out your circular theory with 'creation' and start anew

go with what you know, not what you believe

look up into the sky and know many of the stars at night are gone but we see thier light still coming

we see something that came from nothing, and we are looking into the very proof against a "recent" creation story, starlight that took a very, very long time to get here is also the very 'record books' we can see by looking right back in time

you can't do this with bible or other religions save the books written that have survived and you get a biased opinion at that

I can create something from nothing....I can take lon living matter and form it into a responsive, self perpetuating organism

I just disagree with my spouse about how long to leave it in the fridge before we call CDC and the Xfiles, she doesn't want the BioHazard teams showing up, she would die of embarrassment from our neighbors

Answer 7

You could have just provided the link to answersingenesis.com and save yourself the time.

Here, I'll give _you_ ten points if you can explain to me - without looking it up - what the 2nd Law of Thermodyamics even _is_.

As for the Lady Hope story, it's a complete lie and Darwin's family have confirmed that no such thing happened.

Even if it did, Darwin is irrelevant. Evolution exists whatever he, or you, happen to believe.

Answer 8

This is the only reason I believe in a higher power, be it God or otherwise. This is a question that can't be answered. This came from that and that came from that, you can go way back in evolution and changed matter, but eventually you reach a point where something came from nothing. What brought it about?(I'm agreeing with what you're saying)

Answer 9

i don't disagree with you completely, but it is a myth that darwin recanted his theory on his deathbed. that was just made up by people who couldn't disprove his theory without lying.

Answer 10

Darwin didn't recant on his deathbed. I thought people were through with that lie....