Christian Violence in Indonesia: What will the Pope say?

Question

Christian mobs torched cars, blockaded roads and looted Muslim-owned shops in violence touched off by Friday's executions of three Roman Catholics convicted of instigating attacks on Muslims. Some 200 inmates escaped after mobs assaulted a jail in the town of Atambua, sending guards fleeing to the nearby jungle. By midday only 20 had been recaptured, deputy national police chief Lt. Gen. Adang Dorodjatun said, calling on the others to turn themselves in. And on the island of Flores, the executed men's birthplace, machete-wielding mobs of Christians ran through the streets Friday, sending women and children running in panic, police and witnesses said. Police and media reports said at least five people were hurt, including a prosecutor who was hospitalized with stab wounds. Fabianus Tibo, 60, Marinus Riwu, 48, and Dominggus da Silva, 42, were found guilty of leading a Christian militia that launched a series of attacks on Muslims in May 2000 that left at least 70 people dead.

I posted this specifically because of the literally hundreds of anti-Moslem posts from Christians on this page mocking Islam's claim to be a religion of peace, and decrying violence committed by Moslems. I agree with mocking Islam's claim to be a religion of peace when it is no such thing, but neither historically is Christianity. I'm a member of Amnesty and am well aware of the treatment of Christians in Indonesia and Sudan and elsewhere in Moselm controlled lands. I am also well aware of how Christians have treated non Christians in lands they controlled in their expansion and conquest phase as millions of dead natives in the American could attest if they weren't dead. So my point was there's some major hypocrisy going on here

Answer 1

Indonesia is a country whose citizens are suffering under the fist of religious persecution. Their Muslim president struggles to keep his violence torn and near bankrupt nation afloat.

Unfortunately, the focus of the violence is a group of peaceful Christian people who are being murdered by Indonesian Muslims who wish to purge the nation of them.

In the international treaties of the United Nations, Article 18 of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights states:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."

Yet since January 2003, over 2,500 Christians have been murdered for their religious beliefs. The government is incapable of controlling the nation.

The Indonesian M/V Cahaya Bahari carrying almost 500 people, many fleeing the sectarian violence in the Maluku islands, sank June 29, 2002 in remote waters in eastern Indonesia. Aboard were refugees from Duma, a Christian village where Muslim fighters killed more than 100 people in a June 19, 2002 attack.

We need to offer asylum to the Indonesian Christians. Isn’t that what America is about? The inscription on the statue of Liberty says,

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Is this just words? Is this not the spirit of our nation?

Israel offered peace and freedom when it opened its doors to Russian Jews. We must do the same for our brothers and sisters suffering persecution in Indonesia.

Stand against this Indonesian persecution by banning the sale and import of Indonesian manufactured goods, until their government ends the jihad against peaceful people, in violation of international law. This worked against the South African Apartheid and it will work against the Indonesian Jihad. That will send a message to our nation and the world.

Answer 2

Yes, and the men and their families all said from the beginning that they were not the leaders. They were being used as examples, those three men. Examples for the other Christians to lay low and do nothing. Obviously they didn't like that very much. They shouldn't have done what they did, because that is not right nor is it helpful to their cause, however they are people too and people do things they shouldn't sometimes. FYI there were muslims involved in the same incident with those three men who were executed and none of them got more then 15 years in prison. Does that sound fai to you?

Answer 3

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Answer 4

The pope will pacify them I'm sure if they are really catholic christians, they will not be encouraged to continue their wrong deeds like the others who still incite their people to do more. But the way I see it, the patience has started to wear out, for reason cannot be a solution anymore. Now the things that I personally fear are beginning to manifest, I'm afarid that one day we will just be surprise to hear that there are already christian terrorists and suicide bombers in that part of the world. Patience have started to wear off.

There are people here who knew and answered the question and even though I do not know what really transpired, my gut feeling tells me what really happened because I know what's inside a christian heart. Christians are always willing to forgive but patience has limits.

Answer 5

It sounds just like what Moslem's have been doing in Indonesia for years ! Maybe Christians felt it was time to fight back.

Also the executed Christians were innocent, it was a Muslim Mob, but the Christians were Executed to appease the Moslem's, the Police knew who who the true perpetrators were, but refused to arrest a Muslim !

Answer 6

I wouldn't be surprised if he condemned their violent actions, because his original message was against violence. However, where he messed up, is when he quoted that Muhammad (peace be upon him) only brought evil. So now let him quote someone saying Jesus or Budha or Moses brought evil....

his message was that Muhammad saaws brought evil and he'd like people to stop following Prophet Muhammad saaws and become non-violent because supposedly Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him threatened to kill people if they didn't convert (what an ignorant belief. The nonMuslims can choose to pay a tax for protection by the muslims).

Answer 7

CHRISTIANS ARE TERRORISTS

MOST WANTED TERRORISTS IN THE WORLD BUT THE IS GIVING THEM CHANCE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WISH BUT ONE DAY THEY WILL SEE AND FEEL ALL PAIN WHICH THEY HAVE GIVEN TO OTHERS

CHRISTIANITY IS THE MAJOR TERRORISM IN THE WORLD

Answer 8

Caveat empor!

Answer 9

Every religion has a negative side...why not add the others to your list?

Answer 10

I would hope that he would condemn these actions.