It confuses me to read some of your questions trying to figure out which one your referring too because I see them as different.
Jesus is very caring and forgiving to the point that he gave his life for everyone. Because of Jesus everyone has a chance of going to heaven
because he is willing to forgive you if you can forgive yourself. Jesus feels your suffering and suffers hisself because of it.
I believe in Jesus but follow God because he expects more from us than Jesus does and isn't as caring. God leaves your life and soul in your own hands if you fail it's your fault not his and he moves on.
Basically like if your got on drugs or whatever and lived a bad life that created a living hell you'd have no one to blame but yourself.
Also if you go to hell its your fault not his, can't blame him for expecting you to care about yourself and you chose not too.
It should be easy for you to tell the difference one is willing to forgive the other isn't.
2006-09-21 15:50:57 · 24 answers · asked by Sean 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Thanks for all the answers, they are very informing but also alittle confusing. I'll figure it out eventually.
2006-09-21 16:09:15 · update #1
The trinity is one of the most complicated principals in the bible and mankind and theologians have been trying to understand and explain it for centuries...Think of it this way my friend. I heard this recently and it helped me somewhat..... Water can come in the form of liquid - rain; sold - snow; or vapor - fog but it is all still water.... The bible says we worship one God but that it consists of God the father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit..... All three were present at the Creation of the world...
Jesus said, "If you know me then you know the father".... So we can know the character of God by studying the character of Jesus.... When Jesus went to Heaven after the resurrection he sent the Holy Spirit to the Earth to help believers....
When we become a Christian and ask Jesus into our hearts and become "born again" then the Holy Spirit dwells within us...... When we sin, it is the Holy Spirit that convicts us of the sin and we feel guilt..... We pray forgiveness to Jesus and God the Father forgives us....
Keep praying my friend, Jesus will help you by faith to accept this.... We as Christians all have certain questions we wish we could understand better..... But belief in Jesus is the foundational step......If you truly believe in Jesus then you believe in God and the Holy Spirit....You can not separate belief in one and exclude the other......
2006-09-21 16:04:11 · answer #1 · answered by AlanElaine 2 · 3⤊ 2⤋
To answer your initial question ...the reason I think many ppl believe that God and Jesus are the same person is the council in Nicacea. They were some (when writing a certain part of the bible) debating on whether or not the words of the same Or of like substance would be used .......of the same won out and therefore that is the way many people read it....its what it says. And also another verse
John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
Christ was/is that word. People therefore believe he is the same ......Now personally I think that they are one in spirit not actually the same being....I could be wrong, though.
But just one more thing here. I don't understand how you could think that God isn't forgiving after he has been so forgiving to us already. He sent his Son for us. How much more love can you give?
2006-09-21 16:12:11 · answer #2 · answered by rainsparrow 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I have the same opinion as you: Jesus does forgive us everything, but not God, because men became deeply bad. That's why when we beg pardon to God we must do it in the name of our Lord Jesus.
There are Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
There are God, Jesus and Our Consciousness.
God is God the Creator;
Jesus is His Son and our Brother.
Noé was a good person, so he could have been a Jesus too, not?
God does love His creation, us. After the flood, as people forgot God, He sent an Angel with His message, that a man would save the world. So Mary and Joseph educated Jesus in that way...with a pretty great faith and wish to obey God.
2006-09-22 02:07:42 · answer #3 · answered by meuamigoejesus 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Christianity teaches that God is of 3 Persons. They are the Holy Trinity. Within God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Father is our Creator
Son is Jesus, our Redeemer
Holy Spirit is our Advocate
These are not elements. They are Persons but not human people. They are all divine and of spirit. Our Father created us and gave us free will and laws to follow to get to Heaven later. Jesus came to earth in a human form and taught us about His Father, our Father. He willing suffer and died to destroy eternal death and rose from the dead to restore eternal life. He ascended back into Heaven to open Heaven's gates for us. He redeems our sins but does not save us. We must believe in Him in order to be saved. The Holy Spirit was sent to earth, to us, by Jesus after Jesus went to Heaven. The Holy Spirit, also called the Spirit of God or the Spirit of our Lord, helps guide us in the right direction so we can go to Heaven. The Holy Spirit gives us gifts like discernment so we can better understand God and His plan for salvation. We have to look for these gifts and figure out what gift(s) we have been given and use them.
If this isn't part of your religion it can be hard to comprehend. What I just wrote is what the Holy Bible tells us, what Christians believe in and is why we defend our faith.
Jesus doesn't forgive us, God does. Jesus is part of God though. When God forgives us, all 3 Persons are forgiving us. Not just the Father or just Jesus or just the Holy Spirit.
2006-09-21 16:04:25 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Go read John 5:19-23. I think it might explain it for you. Also John 14:6-11.
John 14:10-11 clearly says,
"Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do."
That is where people get the idea that they are one.
BTW, John 5: 22-23 says, "In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, He has given the Son absolute authority to judge, so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."
I guess that rules out your theory that one is willing to forgive and the other isn't. Obviously if the Father and Son are as one, they are both willing to forgive.
2006-09-21 16:29:11 · answer #5 · answered by mrslang1976 4 · 1⤊ 2⤋
I can't believe of all ppl, I'M the one saying this.
Christians have been taught that Jesus is both God incarnate and yet his own person. He is both God and the Son of God at the same time, just as the Holy Ghost is also God. We call this the Holy Trinity; no, that wasn't a movie with Terence Hill and Bud Spencer. That was "They Call Me Trinity".
The theological explanation is quite simple: it's a Mystery, part of God's nature and therefore, beyond our comprehension. So, if it causes you some kind of schizophrenic feeling, it's OK, you're only human.
2006-09-21 16:01:23 · answer #6 · answered by Manuel L 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
The concept of the Trinity is very complex yet simple.
God the father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are all but one in nature but three distinct individuals.
It's mystery can not be fully understood with our small finite minds.
2006-09-21 15:58:42 · answer #7 · answered by stpolycarp77 6 · 4⤊ 1⤋
God The Father, God The Son is the Father's knowledge of himself, God The Holy Spirit is The Love between these two
2006-09-21 15:55:41 · answer #8 · answered by Midge 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Okay, careful reading of the Bible you can see that Jesus and God are the same person. In the Bible they both received worship. They both forgive sins, the list goes on. John chapter 1 sums it up pretty good. "In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.." John 1:1,14
2006-09-21 16:00:46 · answer #9 · answered by Jason M 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
God and Jesus are the same person. It's very hard to understand, but God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one person. Everything about them is the same. The way they think, the way they feel about us, the way they feel about sin, everything. They do not disagree on anything. You have the wrong idea about God. Jesus was God in human form. It's called the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. It's something we can just barely understand, but that's how it is.
2006-09-21 15:56:58 · answer #10 · answered by k-net 2 · 1⤊ 3⤋