They are truly blind..
2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Jer 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Jer 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.
2006-09-21 08:14:32
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answer #1
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answered by † PRAY † 7
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think about it...if the air wasn't this proper mix...or if the planet was a few degrees farther...then people would probably never have evolved, and we wouldn't be here to question all this. it's a blow to the human ego to think that we weren't specially 'created' and that's why i believe a lot of people get so angry over the thought of evolution. we question god and the planet and all of that because we don't know why we're here.
the bible has not been proven to be correct...neither has the existence of god. they can't ever be proven. it's a faith thing. but also, evolution cannot be proven right now either. that's why it's considered a theory. if we can't depend on either of these things to be correct, then the only thing we can do is hope that one or the other is the right answer to the questions we seek.
2006-09-21 08:22:02
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answer #2
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answered by Cayce A 2
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You don't really understand evolution, do you?
If the earth were closer to the sun, it would just orbit faster - enough centrifugal force to counteract the sun's gravity. It would be a bit hotter on the surface, but life would still (probably) have evolved, maybe with more melanin or improved cooling systems.
Basically, you have everything backwards. According to your thinking, we just happen to have ideal conditions on earth for humans to live, hance proof that we were put here by a creator.
According to evolution, we evolved into humans in order to fit into the conditions that were already here. We breathe oxygen because earth has oxygen.
Look at some of the life forms that exist on this globe, and evolution is really the only argument that makes sense. There are bacteria that live on the bottom of the ocean, miles down, where there is no sunlight and barely any oxygen. They survive in volcanic fissures off the heat and volcanic gas. Did god make that volcanic fissure just for those bacteria to live in? Or did those bacteria just happen to evolve into creatures that could live there?
The same principle applies to all life.
I don't mean to rain on your parade. Personally, I think creation and evolution can jive with each other, if you interpret the bible non-literally. Maybe god just told his primitive followers that it took him six days to create everything, because he knew that the figure of 2.6 trillion years would blow their primitive minds. Maybe he said that the first man was made from dust, because he could not possibly explain gradual mutations in DNA to people who barely understood animal husbandry.
Maybe the spirit of the creation story is true, while some of the details are figurative. Who is to say that evolution is not god's tool? It seems a lot easier to accept than the idea that when god created the universe, it was already old, with fossils in the ground from creatures that never existed, just so he could test your faith.
2006-09-21 09:47:02
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answer #3
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answered by Danzarth 4
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I will completely back you up 100% most people that talk trash about OUR Lord and Savior be it whatever some wish to call him, simply say things to bring contriversial attention to themselves... But this is good becuase usually the ones that start this mess are really looking for good information to base their opinion on whether they believe Evolution or the Bible...
This ofcourse being a GREAT thing for all of us that know have TRUE faith and believe, these are people that are hungry spiritually (even if they do not admit or even know yet, they just know that they continuesly find themselves unhappy, nothing fullfils them) these questions and remarks gives us a chance to share information just as much as evolution scientists do.. One thought.
If evolution is real...wouldnt it continue to happen throughout the years?
If so why are their still apes around?
shouldnt they have a eveolutionized too?
The bible talks about the flash fload that wiped out all living things; sounds like a fairy tale (Noahs Ark) well Science proves that there WAS a flash fload and even actually found pieces of Noahs Ark on one of the worlds tallest mountains just where the bible said it laid after the storm those peices of wood dated back to Noah's time...hmmm...
The bible is our hand book for life any questions that we may have all we need to do is pick the bible... Theres a lot to learn...
If you seek you shall find.
knock he shall open the door.
call out for him and he shall answer..
Also the scientist (which I forgot his name) who came up with the evolution theory "found God" and he became a Christian man LOOK IT UP its true... Weird huh?
2006-09-21 09:06:11
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answer #4
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answered by Social 2
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So your "proof" that evolution is fake is that life couldn't have occurred by chance, so there has to be a planner, and this planner is God, ha?
Now, why can't life have happened by chance? Isn't it statistically logical to think that in a planet where the atmosphere is suitable, life flourished?
And why has there got to be a planner?
And more importantly, EVEN assuming there was a planner (which I do most certainly NOT assume) why should you decide that that planner is god? How do you take that final logical step to come to that wild unjustified assumption?
You see, your logic is flawed at SO MANY levels, that it isn't moving me an inch away from my convictions. People like you are making me more and more convinced that I'm right... Sure you aren't an evolutionist in disguise? You do our job better than we do... Thank you very much.
2006-09-21 08:24:07
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answer #5
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answered by Anonymous
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Hey buddy... the air we breathe is something like 74% nitrogen... There is no such thing as perfect, and the earth is TILTED on an axis... and just so you know, that tilt inverses itself periodically... and I don't know how you define perfect distribution of the sun's rays, especially if there are some very inhospitable parts of earth. Furthermore, if Earth was so important, why wouldn't your magnificent creater have placed the sun so that it orbited around the Earth? As for proof, the theory of macro-evolution has more evidence in its favor than the bible, and the FACT of micro-evolution IS PROVEN. Tell me, how old is the earth? Oh yeah, thats right... its something like 4000 years old right?
2006-09-21 08:17:52
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answer #6
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answered by seanswimsnrt 2
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Honestly your argument is pathetic. You cannot even state it correctly. A Few "degrees" closer to the sun makes no sense at all. Distance is measured in miles, kilometers, inches, feet etc not "degrees". How do you know what is the range in which we could live. I know, you read on a lying web site. Actually the range is a lot larger than you expect.
What you fail to understand is your arguments simply forget to consider that our existence on this planet is what is called a "selection effect, and as such all your arguments are completely without merit and silly.
The simple explaination is that reality is incredibly vast and diverse. Only in small apparently complex portions of that reality can beings such as ourselves evolve. It is not a coincidence, nor is it by chance we find ourselves in such a region. Instead it is a necessity.
It is a lot like the myopic snowflake who finds himself in a snowstorm and concludes he was designed by a snow pixie. His argument is that the world is the perfect temperature for snow to form. When in reality the world is vast and only in small portions of it can snowflakes form.
Or you can think of us as like a lottery winner who concludes there must be a cosmic cheater who rigged the lottery, when in fact there were simply millions of people buying lottery tickets and someone was bound to win.
It is special pleading to require that all things require a designer except the designer. If everything has a designer, then your designer has a designer and that designer has a designer. You can see the problem. Now If you say everything has a designer but that the designer does not need a designer, then your designer is not part of everything. If your designer is not part of everything then it doesn't exist.
It can be proven in mathematics that in order to design something a closed designing system must be at least as complicated (Kolmogorov Complexity) as what it is designing. If the argument complex beings require a designer had any validity then the designer would need a greater designer, and that designer would need an even greater designer etc.
It is funny creationists often make the argument that a bacteria is too complex to not be designed and then claim their infinitely more complex god just is and doesn't need to be designed cause it just is. Can we say the word "Hypocracy"? How about the words "Intellectual Dishonesty".
However we know from mathematics that something can appear to be designed without really being so. Just look at a fractal. The Mathematician Steven Cook proved a very very simple formula like Wolfram's rule 110 for example generates more apparent local complexity than is contained in the entire solar system.
We understand from mathematics how apparently complex systems come about and it is always due to selection effects. You take a simple but diverse set and select a complex subset from it. In order to do that you need a selecting agent. In the case of our universe we have a selecting agent. That selecting agent is our own existence.
Now that we have shown that a seemingly complex system does not need to be designed as long as it is part of a vast, diverse whole. How does that vast diverse whole come about. We obviously are getting into extremely difficult ideas here but several physicists are arguing that reality is based upon and indeed is, mathematics. By that they mean that reality consists of the class of necessarily true statements one can make about logical systems.
One physicist has even argued that the class of necessarily true statements one can make about logical systems is isomorphic ( mathematically identical ) to string theory. Basically arguing that nature is mathematically necessary. The reason it does not feel necessary is that we see so little of it, and that we see it from within it rather than seeing it as it really is.
So In conclusion there does not need to be a god. All that is necessary is a vast diversity. And that diversity might be simply logical necessity. Furthermore the requirement complex entities need designers is false and leads to infinite regression, and ultimately hypocracy and intellectual dishonesty.
I don't expect you to undersand any of this or even to try. I know that would require intellectual honesty. Instead you will close your eyes and ears and say "LA_LA_LA_LA_LA" and ignore logic and reason.
2006-09-21 08:38:22
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answer #7
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answered by Anonymous
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Interesting. Your idea is that these non-believers are "blind" to your "fact." And then you go on to use small dollops of science to back up your claim. But then at the end you deny science by calling evolution "false."
It won't wash. The very same method that instructed you about the difference between the real solar system and the biblical version is what informs us all of the breakthroughs of evolution. And don't blame God for directing you against science. There are plenty of Christians in evolutionary science.
2006-09-21 08:35:27
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answered by JAT 6
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"The earth is so perfectly placed..."
But if it were a few million miles closer or further, we wouldn't be here to notice our nonexistence.
So how's that proof again?
And evolution has been proven over and over and over. You just don't want to admit it.
There is no deity, yours or anyone elses.
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Added: Let us try a little experiment. I want you to play Minigod. Get yourself three six sided dice. Now, every time you roll them, that's going to be a planet you created. If you roll three ones, that planet can support life that will worship and love you. Otherwise, it can't support life at all. On average, you'll make one out of 216 planets life-bearing. Those critters are going to look around and say, "Our god MUST exist, because our planet has the perfect number of ones on it!"
Now then, we have found over 200 planets so far, and our technology is still too primative to even hope to detect an earth-like planet (though a planet seeking satellite should be going up next year I believe that MAY have that ability). So in your mini-universe, let's say there are 10,000 planets, and only three ones will let them support life. On average, about 46 of them are going to have life, leaving 9954 lifeless.
Miracle, or just plain statistics?
Don't believe me? Grab the dice and do it for real. Don't just take my word for it, actually run the experiment yourself. Don't take it on faith -- seriously, you can do this yourself. Or if you're mathematically inclined, do the math and see that I'm right.
2006-09-21 08:16:43
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answer #9
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answered by Anonymous
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Just exactly has the Bible been proven? Show me the proof.
All you say about the Earth, Prove to me that God did it. You cant
How can you tell me that I am wrong for having an opinion. Just because it is different than yours dosent mean it is completely wrong. The problem is that you sit there and state what you say as fact. There is no way to know God actually exists. You cant prove it. Just because it is written in a book and you believe what that book says, dosent make it true.
Prove it to me. Give me one piece of tangible evidence that God exists. No quotes from the Bible. I dont believe the Bible so you cant use it to prove anything. One thing, something I can hold in my hand or something that I can witness with my own eyes that will prove, without a doubt that God exists.
You cant. Thee is notihng but your faith. Thats it. And you faith proves nothing.
So, prove it and I will believe. Prove it to me and I will ask Jesus to forgive me of everything right here on YA.
You cant do it.
2006-09-21 08:17:04
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answer #10
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answered by wilchy 4
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Where is the bible proven? Also, the conditions of the earth being perfect for the existence of the life that exists now just shows that evolution has created life, not something omniscient that came from nowhere to create everything. The bible is filled with hypocrisy and undeniable lies. Why do you still believe?
2006-09-21 08:17:16
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answered by Anonymous
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