Please define for me in what way a baby in the womb is not a human life:
A baby in the womb has her own DNA
She has her own heartbeat
She has her own brainwaves
She has her own blood type, fingerprints, etc.
What is it exactly that a baby in the womb is missing in your mind before she can be classified as "human life" and claim the protection any other citizen would have?
If you say "a baby becomes human life at birth", what is different about the baby 10 minutes before birth? Ten days? Ten weeks?
2006-09-20 14:02:45 · 34 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Elphaba: Not only have you made personal attacks, and assumptions (nowhere did I claim to be perfect, why make this accusation?), but you are scientifically inaccurate.
When an egg is fertilized, it implants in the uterus and menstruation does not occur.
Menstruation is the shedding of the uterine lining, not an abortion.
2006-09-20 14:20:58 · update #1
mypublicident: Have you seen the waiting lists of infertile couples who want to adopt babies? I have because I am on them. Any child born in this country is wanted and would have a loving family to care for them.
You complain of strained natural resources and overpopulation. How defeatist of you to resort to murder to solve the world's problems. What you're suggesting is akin to lining up poor people and shooting them so the rest of us can enjoy more space and resources.
how do you know one of the hundreds of thousands of babies being aborted wouldn't have developed cleaner energy resources? Wouldn't have pioneered colonizing the moon or mars? Wouldn't have cured cancer or AIDS?
This type of attitude is repugnant.
2006-09-20 14:26:44 · update #2
Elphaba: Actually nothing would bring me more joy than to adopt a baby and pay for the mother's medical bills. My husband and I have been trying to do that for years now but it is impossible to adopt an infant without forking over 40,000+ to an agency. So many women are killing their children, there are so few to adopt!
2006-09-21 09:32:05 · update #3
I am semi-pro-choice, not after the first trimester. During this phase an infant has none of these things besides DNA. DNA, however, is not a stable argument because every sperm and ever egg also have their own DNA, yet they are wasted during conception and a woman's period.
2006-09-20 14:15:47 · answer #1 · answered by Shinkirou Hasukage 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
So then you also agree that soldiers in war ARE indeed murderers. Is THAT ok?
So you agree that capitol punishment IS murder?
A fetus is a fetus. An embryo an embryo. It is still not yet a fully developed baby. A woman who is pregnant should have the final say over her own body - INCLUDING THE DECISION to give birth or not. Remember that LOTS of women become pregnant through failed contraceptives and rape. These women should not be forced into carrying and delivering an unwanted child! SCREW puuting it up for adoption! It's wrong to FORCE her to go through unwanted pregnancy and childbirth!! The bottom line is that those who are against abortion typically get their opinons through the teachings of christianity or a personal experience. Even so, that does NOT give anyone the right to decide for the whole country what a woman can and cannot do with HER OWN BODY. If you're against abortions, then don't have one. But you cannot force your opinions and/or beliefs on everyone else. If men could get pregnant, there'd be abortions clinics all over and they'd ALWAYS keep it legal. Put ONE law or restriction on a woman and it will just open the door for more laws on our bodies. THINK, people. This is really about a lot more than whether or not abortion is murder. It is about taking away women's rights one piece at a time. Don't think it can't happen!!
2006-09-20 14:21:59 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
This subject is not as black and white as you would like it to be. Or as I'd like it to be, for that matter. I have two kids. I would not abort a baby, even in the most extreme of cases, rape, or threat to my life. In fact for the births of both my children, I specifically told the doctor and my family that if anything went wrong and a decision had to be made, me or the baby, choose the baby. That said, I know people who have had abortions. It's not an easy or fun thing to do, it haunts them.They are not bad people. And they didn't do it for frivolous reasons. Should a mother have the baby, even if she's an addict and knows she is not able to quit? (you can talk willpower all you want, but you're not ready till you're ready.) Or what if the father of the baby is a pedophile, or a violent criminal that the mother is trying to leave? should she have that baby and tie herself to that man for life? and the baby? Besides that, disallowing abortions does not stop them. and illegal, unsafe abortions cause deaths of mothers AND babies. The pro life stance can actually kill mor than pro chice. there's no good solution to this problem. Ideally, no one would need abortions, but that's not the world we live in. I don't think you can have one blanket policy. Each situation has to be looked at on its own merits, and however much anyone may disagree with her decision, the person best qualified to make that decision is the woman herself.
2006-09-20 14:20:28 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Christian tradition has had trouble with this one. Thomas Aquinas, one of the most prominant theologians in Christian tradition, held that the soul wasn't infused into a fetus until 40 days after conception.
But I don't think those who support legalized abortion cite Aquinas as their support. Rather, the freedom of a mother trumps the right of a fetus. It's pure hierarchy: the born living have more inherent right than unborn living. I am not a scientist, so I cannot say what exactly qualifies a fetus as individual. But, again apparently, the few inches of uterine lining and fat and skin that separate a fetus from the exterior of a woman's body signify that the fetus is "part of the woman's body" and qualify as grounds for arbitrary homicide.
2006-09-20 14:31:44 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
The child in the womb is very much a human life. However.......
I'm pro-choice simply because I do not have the authority to tell another person what she can and cannot do with her body.
I can't possibly know the circumstances that would lead her to seek an abortion. I don't know her history, her home life, her finances. I don't know if this child may be a product of incest or rape. I don't know that an ultrasound hasn't determined this child to be genetically "damaged" and a hardship emotionally and financially for the family.
I would hate to see the days of old return, when women died from abortions performed by untrained people. No woman should have to risk her life for a child she doesn't want.
It's not my choice to make. While I would love to see the child survive, I cannot take that right to choose from another.
2006-09-20 14:24:25 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
I am not a pro-choicer, and I truly wish they would see what abortion really is. I am not trying to be judgemental. I'm just stating the facts. I've had a friend who had an abortion, and I know she knew it was wrong before she did it and after. I know this because she had to tell a lot of people she was doing it to see what they would say. Once she got enough go-aheads, then she felt that was enough to justify it. But was it really? Sorry, no. She hated herself afterward for what she had done, and still hasn't gotten over it. It scars women for life, not to mention it's killing an innocent life that wouldn't have begun to develop unless God intended for it to be an actual person living and breathing on this earth. God causes the development of the baby for one reason only: for them to be born and worship him. If he didn't intend that, the baby wouldn't begin to develop. It's that simple. There's no way to justify it, unless it's a special circumstance like rape. Then the baby should still be born and given a chance to have a life through adoption. However, if the woman is emotionally unable to do this, I feel this is the only instance when it's not okay, but forgiveable. That's my own opinion, and I know what I would do if it happened to me. I would have the baby, and give it up. Babies should always be given a chance to have a life. Peace.
2006-09-20 14:17:45 · answer #6 · answered by .......... 3 · 3⤊ 2⤋
I am firm believer that whether you abort your baby or misscarry your baby, his/her soul goes back to heaven until mother and baby are ready.
I had a misscarriage at 3 months and when the baby came out - it was not a baby. Yes, I was so sad that this happened but I believe that maybe I was not ready to have the baby. I was 23 and my boyfriend (of 2 yrs) and I broke up right after. Maybe the baby knew something that I didnt.
Its up to the woman. If we outlaw abortions we will go back to the back alley abortions and there will be infections, womens deaths, babys born all jacked up because the abortion was not done properly. So much. I dont believe that women should use it as a form of birth control but Im sorry its not up to someone else, ANYONE else what I do with my body.
2006-09-20 14:15:32 · answer #7 · answered by sassysharli 3 · 4⤊ 2⤋
Listen up Morganie...I am pro life...always have been but I am sick and tired of this issue.The state approves of the idea because the majority rules. I don't like it any better than you do okay. However, what is just as bad is mixing religious belief with our laws. That's what other nations do, like Afghanistan and Iraq and other muslim nations. Do you want that? If so, go live there. What other people do about the subject of pro choice is their business. I don't happen to believe any woman wants this but she may have or feel she has no other choice. I don't question it...it is not a decision I could or would make but that is me...and I take great pity of anyone who does. They have to live with it, not me. Here we have the right to choose. I must respect that and perhaps you should put yourself in the shoes of someone else before parroting this subject further.
2006-09-20 14:19:08 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
Do you not realize that you abort a baby every time you menstruate? You're not the blameless picture of perfection. Just let people have their own choices. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.
Edit: And you have made personal attack yourself by calling scared women murderers. Once you begin accusing people you don't even know, I assume you must think you're perfect.
And with your bullshit "argument", NOW you begin considering it only DNA when it's convenient for you. After conception, it's not even a fetus yet. It's just an egg and sperm together. That is the time to abort.
And by the way, how can you go off condemning abortion? Are YOU going to adopt the baby? Are YOU going to pay for the medical bills? I didn't think so. Just live your life and stop trying to revoke women's rights.
2006-09-20 14:10:49 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 7⤊ 6⤋
Are you also going to chastize me because I don't agree with your position on abortion? I've had four and regret none of them, it was the smartest thing I could have ever done. I don't need a baby to ruin my life and my body. It is NOT murder, it is a useless inconvenient clump of cells that are easily removed and disposed of! And there's NOTHING you can do about it! In fact, it's people like you that make my husband and I donate even more (financially) to support abortion rights!!
2006-09-20 14:32:17 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 3⤋