a Jewish relationship with Jesus?

Question

Christians and Jews agree that HaShem established berith (covenant) with Abraham and his children for ever and that through Moses the Torah was gifted to Israel that she might be a lamp to the nations. Thus Jews already have a covenant relationship with the Master of the Universe. Is it not possible for Christians to gain salvation through the Nazarean and Jews gain salvation they way they always have?

Answer 1

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT! I'M SO SORRY! I was thinking what a great thought-provoking question this is, and I hit the thumbs down instead of the thumbs up. I wasn't going to speak to this question, but I think I have to now.

Jesus said that 'I the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me'. As a Jew, perhaps he was saying:
'You guys (priests) are not following the way of Moses...The Law was instituted to put the people into relationship to their God...You're using the law to keep the people at arms length from God so you can control them. My life is the tangible demonstration of the law in a person. Wake up!"

Jesus clearly said that he did not come to 'do away' with the law, but to fulfill it, and that every 'dot and tittle' is in effect until fulfilled.
So, sure, if Jews can keep the whole law then they can attain salvation that way. But the point Jesus was making is that "you can't....so follow my example".

I have a great deal of respect for the Jewish people who love God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength. Jesus didn't say if you follow me then you are my brother; he said :
Who is my mother? Who are my brothers? .... Anyone who does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."
That's good enough for me.

Hoping the best for you...

Answer 2

They're not supposed too. A remnant saved by grace.The promise to Abraham was that all the nations of the earth would be blessed. There is only one blessing , to gain what was lost, Eternal life.

There is only one way. The old testament alone offers only death, as the wages of sin is death. There is no man without sin. Isaiah tells us that the Messiah would be the everlasting Father (Elohim) We must be under the blood of the lamb of God, Slain from the foundation of the earth.

Answer 3

I wonder if you are a Rabbi.....

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Jesus always considered himself a Jew and always spoke as one. he was telling you that he was the Messiah and the Jews, (I am over-simplfying) never accepted him as the messiah. I always felt that "Christians" and Jews are the same except that when the Messiah came, the Jews missed the boat.

So, as we all are "Jews", as Jesus was one....He did say that no one comes to the father unless they go through him. So, being a jew, he was speaking to all including the jews. So, according to the Bible, the answer would be "no" you cannot "gain" salvation without Jesus...be you Christian or Jew....You must go through Jesus.

Answer 4

Do you still do animal Scarface? The temple shroud was tore into at the Cross. Jesus is now the Chief Priest. Even Jews (Christ was a Jew) Need to come to Jesus for salvation.

Answer 5

Sorry, no.
Christians ONLY get salvation through their belief in Jesus as the Messiah. According to Christian scripture, the rest of us are screwed, no matter how good we lead our lives.

Answer 6

Sounds nice, doesn't it? Too bad it only works in theory. And Muslim's, well, lets not go there.

ISRAEL OF GOD. This expression, found only once in Scripture, refers to spiritual Israel rather than to racial descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. (Gen 32:22-28). The Bible speaks of "Israel in a fleshly way" (1 Cor. 10:18), as well as spiritual Israel made up of those for whom descent from Abraham is not a requirement. (Matt. 3:9) The apostle Paul, when using the express "the Israel of God," shows that it has nothing to do with whether one is a circumcised descendant of Abraham or not. (Gal. 6:15, 16).

The prophet Hosea foretold that God, in rejecting the nation of natural Israel in favor of this spiritual nation, which includes Gentiles, would say "to those not my people: 'You are my people.' " (Hos 2:23; Rom. 9:22-25) In due time the Kingdom of God was taken away from the nation of natural Jews and given to spiritual nation bringing forth Kingdom fruitage. (Matt. 21:43) To be sure, natural Jews were included in spiritual Israel. The apostles and others who received holy spirit at Pentecost in 33 A.D. (about 120) those added on that day (about 3,000), and those that later increased the number to about 5,000, were all even at that they were, as Isaiah described them, "a mere remnant" saved out of that cast-off nation. (Isa. 10:21, 22; Rom. 9:27)

Other scriptures elaborate on this matter. With the breaking off of some "natural branches" of the figurative olive tree, there was a grafting in of "wild" non-Israelite ones, so that there was no racial or class distinction among those that "are really Abraham's seed, heirs with reference to a promise." (Rom. 11:17-24; Gal 3:28, 29) "Not all who spring from Israel are really 'Israel.' " "For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit." (Rom. 9:6; 2:28, 29) Natural Israel failed to produce the required number, so God "turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name" (Acts 15:14), concerning whom it was said, "You were once not a people, but are now God's people." (1 Pet. 2:10) The apostle Peter quoted what had been said to natural Israel and applied it to this spiritual Israel of God, saying itis in reality "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession" (Ex. 19:5, 6; 1 Pet. 2:9)

The twelve tribes mentioned in Revelation chapter 7 must refer to this spiritual Israel, and for several valid reasons. The listing does not match that of natural Israel at Numbers chapter 1. Also Jerusalem's temple and priesthood and all the tribal records of natural Israel were permanently destroyed, lost forever, long before John had his vision in 96 A.D. But more importantly, John received his vision upon a background of the aforementioned developments from and after Pentecose 33 A.D. In the light of such events, John's vision of those standing on the heavenly Mount Zion with the Lam (whom natural Israel had rejected) revealed the number of this spiritual Israel of God to be 144,000 "bought from among mankind." (Rev. 7:4; 14:1, 4)

Answer 7

Well since the Jews had Jesus crucified because they were jealous of his popularity (just like a Jew). God will punish all Jews by sending them to HELL where they belong.

Destroy all that which is evil

So that which is good may flourish

I believe that is meant for the Jews.

Answer 8

Of course it is. Although a new covenant was given the old one was not taken away.

Answer 9

The second part is true. By christians I disagree.

Answer 10

Absolutely. And anyone who tells you otherwise has not read the Bible correctly.

Allah is most just.