Jews: Can u explain away the proof?

Question

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS PAGE.
http://whydidhedie.com/prophecies.asp

Answer 1

What an interesting read my friend and thank you for taking the time to show this to us. Christianity in its better manifestations, like many expressions of faith, is a wonderful and colourful testimony of G-d in the universe and one that I will never tire of respecting but there are some real differences between our two religions and these need not lead to animosity either.
You must understand that there are a number of 'old testaments' and this is where our confusion begins. Before the first century and the advent of the Christian faith the hellenised Jews of the diaspora translated the Tanakh (old tastament) into Greek, this is called the Septuagint (LXX) after the seventy scholars who completed it in seventy days. Christianity quickly emerged from hellenistic (Greek) Judaism and so naturally depended upon the LXX which has a number of divergences from the Hebrew Bible. The result of this is that when we see proofs of Jesus as messiah in the Greek LXX they are not found to be valid in the Hebrew, as no two languages perfectly suit one another in linguistic catagories. This diversity plagued the early church until long after the first ecummenical council at Nicaea when the Aramaic speaking Ebionite Christians of the Hebrew tradition were branded as heretical because their reading of the Hebrew Bible would not permit them to accept the Nazarean as divine.
So modern Jews, as Hebrew readers, cannot place our trust in a Greek version of the Bible. But I will say this of your faith and your messiah. The Nazarean was, no doubt, born in Beit-Lechaim and found descent from meleck David. From what I have learned of this Galilean, he was a pious man and a gifted teacher, even of righteousness. I also believe that it is time that Judaism came to a better relationship with this Jew, as a Jew he was. From what I gather he kept Koshrut and prayed while inspiring other to prayer. Further to this, much goodness has come from those who chose to follow what later writers said that he taught. And because of the Christian church the whole world has become familiar with the G-d of Israel.

Shalom

Answer 2

all and sundry of those Prophecies have been written after the fact. If I stated I Prophicize that Tiger Woods does no longer win a considerable journey in 2010 and write it down, whose to declare that 10 years from now somebody will say "howdy Waalee prophicised that Tiger Woods does no longer win a journey in 2010" Boy, Waalee could desire to be a Prophet. to actual say that God wrote the Bible is insane. What did he use a pen or a quill. adult males wrote the Bible. Then later adult males translated the Bible and that they did no longer like it so as that they wrote a clean Bible and known because it the hot testomony. i do no longer scoff on the Bible yet i do no longer delude myself the two. i take advantage of uncomplicated sense.

Answer 3

That is proof? You can make up anything that you say is proof, fill in the answers you want, twist things around. And, alot of this is not correct. You'd better look at it again.

Answer 4

we have already seen your "proof prophecies" most of which are deliberately mistranslated from hebrew in order to put a jesus spin on scriptures, ie the infamous born of a virgin prophecy. fortunately for jewish people we read scriptures in hebrew and so cannot be misled by tampered prophecies.

EDIT

so i did look at your site and chose a particular christian "prophecy", the one of Psalms 22:16 supposedly foreshadowing a crucificion which according to your bible says "For dogs have encompassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me; they pierced my hands and feet."

looking at my own bible, from the original hebrew your bible should say instead: "Dogs surround me; a pack of evil ones closes in on me, like lions they maul my hands and feet."

and christians wonder why we never fall for their jesus prophecies. i wonder why.

Answer 5

Why do questioners think that others will go to some web page to read somwething?

And then they believe evrything on the web...got to be kidding.

Answer 6

I wish the author of this question would report back on what he thinks of the links that *we* provided.

Answer 7

Please take the time and review these websites.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/jewsandjesus.htm
http://jewsforjudaism.com/
http://messiahtruth.com/response.html
http://whatjewsbelieve.org/

Let me know when you get through with those and if you still entertain notions that Jesus was anything. I have plenty more.

Answer 8

Judge for yourself:
Did Jesus fulfill ALL these criteria?

The Jewish tradition of "The Messiah" has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands "The Messiah" to be a human being - without any overtone of deity or divinity - who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as "The Messiah".
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First of all, he must be Jewish - "...you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you." (Deuteronomy 17:15)

He must be a member of the tribe of Judah - "The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet..." (Genesis 49:10)

To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.

He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)

The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!

He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12)

Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?

He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - "...and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them.." (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27)

At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!

He will rule at a time of world-wide peace - "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." (Micah 4:3)

Have you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?

He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24)

The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.

He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d - "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd" (Isaiah 66:23)

there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.

All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children's children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be "The Messiah." A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.

Certainly NOT Jesus.

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Answer 9

i have some short videos to show youe the bible and all that crap is a waste of time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzzORZhnCao&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH0rFZIqo8A
http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/video2.htm
http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/video3.htm
http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/video5.htm
http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/video4.htm