Why do people always say.."we couldn't afford the effort to deport illegals"?

Question

Why would that cost so much?

Just set up checkpoints in illegal heavy areas? Everyone knows where they are.

Don't give American born babies of Illegas citizenship...stupidest policy I ever heard.....who imposed that crap

Lastly.....Prosecute those whom HIRE ILLEGAS.

This would be a low cost effort and would take care of the majority of the illegals in a couple of years...if we don't give illegals a reason to come here and a way to scam the system...THEY WON"T COME

anyone agree?

Answer 1

It is expensive, but no more than it is already costing us.

Answer 2

Agreed. But lets take this a little further.

Why not just control the border - for the cost of 2 stealth bombers, we could construct a sturdy wall along the Mexico border. And then we could make sure that anyone wanting to come into this country had to do so through the "gates", if you will.

I agree on the baby thing. If the baby is born on American soil, it is still NOT an American citizen if both parents are in this country illegally. And we will send the medical bills to the Mexican government - the US will NOT cover any of the costs. This might get the Mexican government off their "butts" and have them do something about this issue as well.

As for the prosecuting of the ones that hire illegal immigrants, don't just fine them - make the fines so high, it could drive them out of business (like $1,000,000 per illegal immigrant found on the premesis - or more). Businesses are only going to respond if it risks their livelihood. Small fines or "sanctions" are not going to stop them. Huge monetary fines will. Let's make sure they are enforced.

I would go further to say that when enrolling a child in school, you must provide documentation (proof) that the children and their parents are eligable to be residing and educated in the US. If they can not produce the info, then they don't get into school without paying a tuition - say $20,000 up front before the child can start school. No payment plans, and no "arrangements". Either you pay, or see ya. If someone doesn't pay income taxes, property taxes, school taxes, or any other tax, then they must pay to use the public school system. The school system is set up for American citizens and all people in this country legally.

Take all of the advantages away from them, and they will be less likely to come. I agree with you. Now, to get the government to follow the plan. . .

Answer 3

Very well thought out question.

However, it's a very complicated issue. Recent estimates put the illegal population at ten million - possibly more. Deporting all of these people in some cases would be on a case to case basis - especially if the children of the illegal immigrants are deemed to be American citizens, and, without first securing the borders, this would be a real waste of time and money. They would simply re-enter as fast as we deported them.

The last part of your question, I think, contains the only real solutions.

It just can't be that difficult to effectively prosecute employers who hire illegal immigrants instead of American citizens. And, if there's any validity to the argument that they perform the work that Americans won't do - hell, that's what a legal Work Visa is for.

It isn't that difficult to require a person to be a citizen in order to receive welfare benefits, driver's licenses, free medical care and social services. Doesn't that only seem logical?

And, as you pointed out, if there's no work or benefits to wading across the Rio Grande - they'd be absolutely no incentive for them to come. End of problem.

Answer 4

1st - Build a wall. Stop the flow so you don't get another 12 million into the US
2nd - Fine employers that hire illegal aliens. Fine them for each one found. Base the fine on how many illegals are estimated to be in country. The more illegals, the higher the fine. Make them 'advocates' of a low national illegal immigrant population.
3rd - Make the employer pay the back taxes (Fed, state and local) that the illegal should have paid. Make them pay deportation costs as well.
4th - Prosecute the employer for labor law violations as well (under minimum wage, tax evasion, etc.)
5th - Deny all but essential services, including property rights (like Mexico does) to illegal aliens.
6th - Make home countries extradite suspected felons (rapists, cop killers, drug dealers) to the US for trial.

Answer 5

It sounds like a great low cost plan to me. The reason people say it's impractical to deport the illegals is because they don't want it to happen. If they can't work they won't come here or stay here. If their babies aren't granted citizenship then that scam will fall away too.Isn't it strange how one single anchor baby requires a whole town's worth of relatives to come raise it? This plan isn't even as strict as the immigration policies in Mexico. We don't want to imprison the illegals for breaking the law, we just want them to leave. For those who need transportation we can use the money from fines for employers of illegals.

For anyone who asks how you can tell if someone's illegal--Just check their papers when they apply for a job. It won't take special courts and hearings, and we certainly aren't going to start rounding up people based on their skin color. If they are illegal and can't work there will be no point in them being here. Stick it to the employers and they will stop hiding and protecting these people. Yes I did say hiding them. That's what they used to do at Holiday Inn with the illegal room cleaners.

Answer 6

I agree to a point.I agree we should pick up any illegals no matter where they come from and send them back. I just do not like the Mexican government telling us they will not take back their own people. If I stayed in Mexico as a illegal they would throw me in jail & throw the key away. Then when my sentice is over they would make sure I left the country & never allowed back. As for the chidren of illegals. Let them have the child then send both home.II have a hard enough time taking careof my family(born here) and taking care of someones family here illegally. I chose my family

Answer 7

Hire Americans to patrol the border, ie, National Guard. Don't give illegals or their kids any public service ie public schooling, welfare (checks, medical, subsidized housing, etc.), and so on. Bill them for anything they use like you would a tourist...school, medicine, etc. Raise minimum wage and enforce mimimum wage laws but only for Americans. YES heavily fine the employers that hire illegals. If they can't afford to run a business legally, they can't afford to run a business. Just like if I can't afford rent, I'm homeless.

Answer 8

First, anyone born in the US, except children born to ambassadors on embassy grounds, has a right to claim natural born citizenship. if you don't like that, get the 14th Amendment changed.

As far as costs, how many people actually carry proof of citizenship with them? Very few. So, let's say you try to round up all the illegal immigrants, undocumented aliens, and anyone else you want to deport. Based on decades of statistics, you're still likely to round up twice as many people as are actually here illegally.

Most estimates show 10-15 million illegal immigrants. Double that to include all the people who end up being caught that are not illegal. Say 25 million.

5th Amendment Due Process requirements, and current laws, require a hearing before deportation. 6th Amendment requirements mean an appointed attorney. Let's say we make it absolutely streamlined, and get it down to 10 minutes per person, with no appeals. That means 6 per hour, 50 per day, 200 per week, 10K per year. Per court.

Let's say 1000 courts are set up to do nothing but this, every day, case after case after case. That's 1000 judges, court reporters, bailiffs, prosecutors, and defense attorneys. It still only means 10M per processed year, or 2-3 years of full time processing just to deal with who is currently in the country.

Estimated cost: per court (one judge, two attorneys, one court reporter, one bailiff) that's 350K, times 1000 courts, that's 350 million dollars just to pay the salaries. Triple to include paperwork, overhead, lights, building usage, etc. That's one billion dollars, per years, just to process the deportation hearings.

$1 billion per year. That does not include any costs to actually physically catch them or to deport them (buses, police, etc.). And does not include the hearings required for anyone with anyone who is actually facing criminal charges. And that's all assuming we can get the process streamlined down to 10 minutes per person.

Do you have a spare 1-2 billion dollars to throw at this problem, every year, for as long as there is an immigration problem?

Answer 9

Obviously you feel strongly about illegal immigrants. What are you doing about it. Oh, posting questions on YAHOO to let off some steam. Mighty brave of you. You'll win yet!

Answer 10

It would cost a hell of a lot more to keep their freeloading as ses here than it would to deport them. That's what we need to do. We need to get rid of them.

Answer 11

we can't afford the effort to get rid of the opium crop in Afghanistan either, we just have a full of baloney War on Drugs at home