The great deception?

Question

About the crusifiction, Jesus wasnt crusified on a cross, He was nailed to a pole with both hands above His head. To come back to question about the deception. Wasnt Constantine the man, who with the councle of nicea, took all the scripts and gospels and put them together to make up the first bible? If yes, then did you know that Constantine woshipped zeus the sungod? I am a christian, and started finding these things out for myself, thats why I asked the q that arent we as christians being deceived to carry on sunworship in our churches today. The bible clearly states that we should not believe anything but only His word. Is there somebody that feels the same and how can we find out more?

Answer 1

You are right. It is a deception that began with Constantine trying to convert from paganism to Christianity. He was never a true Christian and many of his pagan ideas are still a major part of Christendoms teachings.
Jesus was crucified on a pole or stake, not a cross. The KJ Bible says this regarding what Jesus was put to death on---"The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree." (Acts 5:30) and also:
Acts 10:39--"And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree."
The tree was made into an upright pole or stake and some criminals were put to death in this way. Jesus was condemned as a criminal and that is why he also was put to death on what was definitly a torture stake.
Jesus willingly sacrificed his life in behalf of all mankind and for this we are eternally grateful.

Answer 2

Jesus was nailed to a tree on the mount of Golgatha (the skull) in Israel. He had to carry his cross (the long partthat goes across) through the streets of Israel before being crucified. He was. Golgatha is a real place that still exists and still looks like a skull. There was a tree there, and may still be there today (I'll tell you in November, I'm going in October).

Constantine maybe sanctioned the council of nicea, and the church leaders evaluated the many gospels and texts that were out there and selected the ones they did to include in the Bible. Constantine was converted to Christianity from paganism.

Do some more thorough research in your information. There is a lot of misinformation out there. Check out some of the sermons at www.mcleanbible.org, the pastor Lon Solomon has done some real research on this and other topics that makes a lot of sense. He's teaching in his sermons more than preaching. Check out his 3 sermons on the Da Vinci Code, they're AWESOME. Also consider taking a Bible class at a local college, they always seem to interpret the scripture in a way that may be somewhat unconventional to the church, however is another way of looking at the same thing.

Answer 3

What difference does it make what the tree actually was or how it was shaped. Don't lose the significance of what Jesus did over the size, or shape. He was crucified, plain and simple, for OUR sins, be thankful for that.

Additional information:
The Bible clearly and undeniably teaches that Jesus died on a cross (Matthew 27:32,40,42; Mark 15:21,30,32; Luke 23:26; John 19:17,19,25; Acts 2:23; 1 Corinthians 1:17-18; Colossians 1:20; 2:14-15). The Greek words in those Scriptures specifically identify a cross, not a pole or stake. The most common method of execution by the Romans in Jesus’ time was crucifying a person on a cross, with nails through their hands/wrists and feet/ankles. Sometimes people were tied to the cross in addition to being nailed to it. There were instances where people were crucified to poles, stakes, trees, x-shaped crosses, etc. Ultimately, it DOES NOT MATTER what Jesus was crucified on. At the same time, the Bible specifically states that Jesus was crucified on a cross.

Answer 4

As I have said in answer to another question, the exact for of crucifixion is still to be determined but crrent evidence points to at least the feet being nailed either side of the cross.

The word comes first and remember it doesn't justify your position, you are there to accept what it says. I am no fan of constantine and agree about what he did. However, that is no reason to condemn other Christians. Much of the tradition in churches is simply that. How harmful it is is another question.

If you are referring to the deception that jesus taught about then it is important to realise that you cannot accept the words of Jesus in one place and deny them in another. In the same Bible where he warns about the possibility of the elect being deceived (so that IF possible the elect might be deceived etc) and false teachers, He also proclaims that He is God (before Abraham was I AM) and is killed for this very reason.

Traditions are one thing but the Bible is truth. People like rites and feel comfortable doing the same thing over. As Paul said about those who like to celebrate holy days, if they want to, let them. bear with those who are weaker in faith or who won't eat meat etc. So long as the truths of the gospel are not touched and God is praised, let them go for it.

And actually while the Bible as we know it was not in the present form until (just before) Constantine, the NT as we know it was compiled in its current form two generations before. read a good Bible dictionary and you will see.

Answer 5

Actually, the correct translation is a branchless tree, but a pole does work. It was replaced with the word cross in the third century. The use of the cross as a regular instrument of execution by the Roman Empire didn't begin until nearly 40 years after Christ died. The Jews used a stake, because people had to die before sunset, as was required by Jewish Law. hanging with your arms above you head, even tied, compresses the lungs and you suffocate. If a condemned man was not dead by the end of the day, his legs were broke, so he couldn't hold himself up to prevent the suffocation.

As for Constantine, at the time he declared himself the first Pope, he was also the Roman Caesar, which meant that he was the embodiment of the living God on Earth of the Roman Empire. He had to satisfy both the Christians and the Pagans, but remember, but this time, Christians had already fallen away from the strict teachings of Christ. The began falling away at the time of the Apostle Paul, when he said that he felt he had worked for nothing, because they had returned to the observances and celebrations of man, such as birthdays and immortalizing the dead

So, it is no wonder that by the time of Constantine, it was easy for him to do what he did. Now, nearly 2000 years later, it has become simple for Christians to deceive themselves into believing something is okay simply because they are self professed Christians. Christ said that most would claim to speak in his name, but are actually anti-christs, because their beliefs are only just enough Christian to make people think they are, but not so much as to inconvenience them.

Answer 6

Don't know about that one. I just feel like God left His words here, the bible. It's the inspired word of God written by several of his followers. The entire bible is the story of Jesus and you can't get to the Father, without the Son. I think if you take your eye off God and start looking at other things, then you're being deceived anyway. Either you're going to believe the bible or not. It's that simple.

Answer 7

The plural form of atheist is atheists. in case you are able to tutor why there ought to be an absolute evil and an absolute stable that would very much advance your argument. in any different case, you're in simple terms making unprovable statements. the final deception is which you have self belief your god is benevolent.

Answer 8

This is when my eyes were opened...when I reached the truth for myself. I was on a lifelong mission for the truth and now I don't believe in the Bible at all. All your questions are valid. Keep up the good work and read "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine. That will answer many of your questions using the Bible itself as the prove of what he says.

Answer 9

sure Constantine worshiped Zeus before he was converted. this should be common knowledge if one reads history. Christians may practice a form of SON WORSHIP. you just misspelled the word
it should be " SON " not " sun".

Answer 10

My understanding of it, is not mine , but His !
... God’s truth about the end of days “after” Christ’s return. His people will establish the earth, rebuild the waste places, cities, grow gardens, here “on earth” No heaven! Just our upper atmospheric heavens in the clouds as it states, where we meet Christ.

………………...The Truth from an Old Testament prophesy ..
...Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the “last days”,(The time here is “after” Christ’s return and the Holy city has been established on earth !) that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and “all nations shall flow unto it” (The Holy City in Jerusalem ! ) 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: ( In just that little text we see that people on the earth will seek out God from wherever nation they are !) for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD “from Jerusalem” 4 And he shall judge among “the nations”, ( Did you get that ! The nations will still be here ! ) and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: “nation shall not lift up sword against nation”, neither shall they learn war any more. ( That is not In Heaven, but here on earth !) Yeah right, you get the picture!? Mankind has been fooled ! How about all of His truth!! Now read the last two chapters of Revelations and know it is not an allegory nor a lie !
...Be careful to note , John did not write the book of Revelations as many in mainstream Christianity has taught ! God is the original author , See the first verse of revelations and see for yourself ! God gave it to His son, His son gave it to an angel, the Angel gave it to John, John re-recorded it ! Note, the visions were added by John, but remember, the visions John had were given by God, so in fact ALL of the book of Revelations is by GOD ! THAT is very important as it is not an allegory as many have made up, nor is it a lie !
The verse here >> Rv1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, “which God gave unto him”, to shew unto his servants/followers things which must shortly come to pass; and he/Christ sent and signified it “by his angel” unto his servant “John”:
You know the rest ! See you in the City !
Your Friend ! Eugene……….Pistle42197314