Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (Jn.10:30), therefore, is not Jesus the same, or, "co-equal" in status

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Question No.1
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (Jn.10:30), therefore, is not Jesus the same, or, "co-equal" in status with his Father?
Answer No.1
In Greek, `heis' means `one' numerically (masc.)
`hen' means `one' in unity or essence (neut.)
Here the word used by John is `hen' and not `heis'. The marginal notes in New American Standard Bible (NASB) reads; one - (Lit.neuter) a unity, or, one essence.
If one wishes to argue that the word `hen' supports their claim for Jesus being "co-equal" in status with his Father, please invite his/her attention to the following verse:

Jesus said: "And the glory which Thou hast given me, I have given
to them (disciples); that they may be one, just as we are one." (John 17:22).
If he/she was to consider/regard/believe the Father and Jesus Christ to be "one" meaning "co-equal" in status on the basis of John 10:30, then that person should also be prepared to consider/regard/believe "them" - the disciples of Jesus, to be "co-equal" in status with the Father and Jesus ("just as we are one") in John 17:22. I have yet to find a person that would be prepared to make the disciples (students) "co-equal" in status with the Father or Jesus.

The unity and accord was of the authorized divine message that originated from the Father, received by Jesus and finally passed on to the disciples. Jesus admitted having accomplished the work which the Father had given him to do. (Jn.17:4)

Hot Tip (precise and pertinent)
Jesus said: "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (Jn.14:28). This verse unequivocally refutes the claim by any one for Jesus being "co-equal" in status with his Father.

Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (Jn.10:30)
OR
Jesus said: "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (Jn.14:28).

Now how can you explain this contradiction PLease if you take one literally then other must also be taken literally.

Answer 1

When saying, “I and the Father are one,” did Jesus mean that they were equal? Some Trinitarians say that he did. But at John 17:21, 22, Jesus prayed regarding his followers: “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.” He used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in all these instances. Obviously, Jesus’ disciples do not all become part of the Trinity. But they do come to share a oneness of purpose with the Father and the Son, the same sort of oneness that unites God and Christ.

Right in the context of the verses after John 10:30, Jesus forcefully argued that his words were not a claim to be God. He asked the Jews who wrongly drew that conclusion and wanted to stone him: “Why do you charge me with blasphemy because I, consecrated and sent into the world by the Father, said, ‘I am God’s son’?” (John 10:31-36, NE)
No, Jesus claimed that he was, not God the Son, but the Son of God.

The same idea is expressed at 1 Corinthians 1:10, where Paul states that Christians ‘should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among them, but that they should be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.’ So when Jesus said that he and his Father were one, he did not mean that they were the same person, just as when he said that his disciples should become one he did not mean that they were the same person.

ANOTHER scripture offered as support for the Trinity is John 5:18. It says that the Jews (as at John 10:31-36) wanted to kill Jesus because “he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.”

But who said that Jesus was making himself equal to God? Not Jesus. He defended himself against this false charge in the very next verse (19): To this accusation Jesus replied: "the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing."

By this, Jesus showed the Jews that he was not equal to God and therefore could not act on his own initiative. Can we imagine someone equal to Almighty God saying that he could “do nothing by himself”? Interestingly, the context of both John 5:18 and 10:30 shows that Jesus defended himself against false charges from Jews who, like the Trinitarians, were drawing wrong conclusions!

However, what about John 1:1, which says in the King James Version: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”? John 1:14 tells us that “the Word became flesh and resided among us.” Christendom claims that this “Word” (Greek, lo′gos) who came to earth as Jesus Christ was God Almighty himself. Yet, notice that even in the King James Version John 1:1 says “the Word was with God.” Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person. So even from this translation, two distinct personalities are shown. Also, no third person of any Trinity is mentioned at all.

Answer 2

One of the most toughest question in the bible.
There is not a contradiction in this
I also had the same question in the past.
One answer is this:

1- We have , body,soul, and mind, which is the greatest although they are still one? The soul is the greatest here.
Because the scripture said "the wage of sin is death" God is tallking about a spirtual death here.

Also we have a soul, and animals only have a body and mind.

Yes the spirt is the greatest, yet they are one in the body.

Yet I was not very satisifed with this answer because I mean do God have a body, mind and spirt? This is a mystery.

One thing I know for sure is this
My belief in this question is this
Fact #1 Father, Son, and Holy spirt are one.
Fact #2 The Son is not equal to the father.
Clues-The son sits at the right hand side of the father, the center is for the king. Plus many more clues that you mentioned above.
such as Jesus said: "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I."

So here is the conclusion; Even though they are not equal they are still one GOD.

Thanks for bringing up this question.
I am glad God gives me light on this one.
Now how does that work? I don't know and I am sure no one on earth can give you that answer but God, but at least I know the facts and the clues from the bible.

It's like how did God created the universe? I don't know but I know it's there.

It's like where did the first ingrediant came from in order to create adam? Where did the dust came from?
We don't know, but it's there, and we are here right?

Hey look, just don't go crazy on this ok? you are a believer, praise God for that...

Peace~

Answer 3

Jesus and his Father are 'one', in that they both have the same standards. And even though they agree in all things, the Father is still 'greater' than the son [ Jesus] There is no conflict.
Jesus was actually created by his Father, as the very first crteation, before even the universe, let alone the earth. Proverbs 8; 22-31.

Answer 4

The team spirit and accord grew to become into of the authorized divine message that originated from the daddy, won with the aid of Jesus and finally handed directly to the disciples. Jesus mentioned: "i visit the daddy; for the daddy is greater suitable than I." (Jn.14:28). This verse unequivocally refutes the declare with the aid of anybody for Jesus being "co-equivalent" in status along with his Father. If Jesus grew to become into area of the Trinity, then, the above verse should not be There ! i think of you're good on! there is not any TRINITY. that's a man made term. There ought to be a head. that's GOD the daddy. The be conscious (Holy Spirit) coexisted with God yet he or that's no longer the appropriate determination maker. Jesus is the be conscious made guy yet i understand that He would not do or say something except God says so. He did no longer obtain the Holy Spirit until eventually he grew to become into baptized. i've got self belief the Holy Spirit grew to become right into a given area of God that lives interior us and that makes us area of Him. i think of the Holy SPirit, Jesus, us are no longer coequal to God because of the fact he's the pinnacle, we are the physique. There can in user-friendly terms be one ruler. a house divided can no longer stand. i wish it extremely is smart.

Answer 5

Jesus is not equal to God in John 10:30 is talking about the nature of Christ (john 1:1-14). Christ is GOd and not man. in John 14:28 is talking about the power of God is greater than Christ Ephesians 4:6

Answer 6

Christians take their information about Jesus from the Bible, which includes the Old and New Testaments and interrupted by men (It Mean the trueness of information may be in doubt)
These contain four biblical narratives covering the life and death of Jesus. They have been written, according to tradition, respectively by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They are placed at the beginning of the New Testament and comprise close to half of it.
Encyclopedia Britannica notes that none of the sources of his life and work can be traced to Jesus himself; he did not leave a single known written word. Also, there are no contemporary accounts written of his life and death. What can be established about the historical Jesus depends almost without exception on Christian traditions, especially on the material used in the composition of the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke, which reflect the outlook of the later church and its faith in Jesus.
BUT SEE QUR’AN say you reality and all about truth because this is they only source that no man has interrupted it its pure ALLAH’s word The Quran says in reference to the status of Jesus as a Messenger:
God says in the Quran regarding the Trinity:
"People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and attribute to God nothing except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of God, and His command that He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and in His Messengers, and do not say: ‘God is a Trinity.' Give up this assertion; it would be better for you. God is indeed just One God. Far be it from His glory that He should have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth. God is sufficient for a guardian" (Quran 4:171).

"The Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger before whom many Messengers have passed away; and his mother adhered wholly to truthfulness, and they both ate food (as other mortals do). See how We make Our signs clear to them; and see where they are turning away

Say: "God is Unique! God, the Source [of everything]. He has not fathered anyone nor was He fathered, and there is nothing comparable to Him!" (Quran 112:1-4).
The Quran also states:
"Such was Jesus, the son of Mary; it is a statement of truth, about which they vainly dispute. It is not befitting to the majesty of God, that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be' and it is" (Quran 19:34-35).
ITS OFTEN DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH BUT IT HAS DEFINITE DOMINATION READ , THINK MAY BE YOU FOUND REALITY (GOD BLESS YOU )

Answer 7

Explain GOD and Jesus:
Just one human to you eh? Which human is smart enough to attempt this? Which human living today has the capability to understand GOD and his plan?
At best we are close enough to know GOD and JESUS are father/son. What more do you need. They both are involved trying to save humanity, what more can there be? Oh, and the Spirit of GOD came down to answer and calm our fears - again what more can there be?
Also, Jesus was talking to uneducated people, mostly, as simply as he could - and still few understood him.
I wish I was educated also, so I could talk clearer.
Luckily there are more answers from others.
Good fortune on your quest. Peace.

Answer 8

My understanding of this is not that Jesus is God or that the disciples are Jesus or God, but that they are all the same in the effect that they stand together in the word, Jesus and the disciples live their lives just as God would have them to, they speak and follow the exact path of God, they carried themselves in a manner to be a copy of God, so in that manner they can be seen as the exact same,or as one.People take the word one too literally.
Of course this is the opinion of one person, myself. In a sense I am more than one person, I have a birth name, a married name, a name I go by on answers, but all these are the same, they are one person. that being me.

Answer 9

Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are called the Godhead. They are unified in purpose. Each has an important assignment in the plan of salvation. Our Heavenly Father is our Father and ruler. Jesus Christ is our Savior. The Holy Ghost is the revealer and testifier of all truth.

Answer 10

They are Father and Son!
The Greater and the lesser!
The Creator and the Created!

A little God is more than I can handle!
The power Christ has is far more that you can think of!
The father is far greater still!

If you were to be chained to a nuke warhead, and it was to be exploded, would you care if it were a 100 kiloton or a 100 megaton?