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why should i have to stand by and let my children learn that junk, when there is no proof of that and i grant u there isn't no proof of God either , why can't they teach both at least? i mean there really isn't that much difference, they are both based on faith, and for those of u that say evolution is a fact then how come u can't provide proof other than scientists say so. or fossils which i might add there is a very big gap in the fossil "evidence" but i can't really get into that on here, but it basically boils down to the scientists has to first start out guessing everything way back when.

2006-09-16 21:44:02 · 25 answers · asked by regina p 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Hello Regina!! :o) I hope you're OK. I appreciate what your saying. And I agree with you. If one can teach the THEORY of evolution why not also teach the THEORY of creationism?! But I certainly wouldn't limit the theory of creationism to just a Christian perspective. [And I'm a Christian saying this] I'm always fascinated by the unwavering FAITH some people have in science. They will dismiss what is said in the Bible because it was written by men they never knew. Yet will accept as 'gospel' [If I may use that term] what a scientist claims to be true. [Even though they have never knew HIM - either] What a prophet witnesses is nonsense. What a scientist witnesses is FACT. Amazing. For those of us living in North America [at least] much of our lives is based upon the Bible. A North American is truly ignorant [therefore] if he does not have a least some understanding of the Old and New Testaments. Without that understanding - he could never truly appreciate [or understand] much of the historical links that connect us to the world of art, poetry, law and politics. It is so much a part of the lives of every North American - and yet many feel that it's best to keep our kids STUPID in that regard. A proper education should not have limits. Teach our children ALL that WE know and THEN we can sit back, relax and trust that THEY will make up their own minds. Craig!! :o)

2006-09-16 23:04:59 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Actually, being an agnostic, I can't say that I do or do not believe in God. Yet you say that there is no proof of evolution and no proof of God.

But there is proof of evolution. Go to any Museum of Natural History, and there will be skeletons of Neantertol people. People who long ago did roam the Earth, who were definatley human, but they had large backs of the head, (lots of memory), but hardly any room for frontal lobes (hardly any cognative - or forward thinking). Yet, there is evidence that they used fire to cook their food, and probably for warmth. No other animals did then, or do now use fire. They are afraid of it. The archaelogists have found evidence of sticks rubbed together as how they made their fire. There is evidence that on some of the frozen or well buried remains that primitave as they may have been, they did wear clothing. Another aspect particular to the human race.something that no other animal does. So, we have all seen at least some physical, hard-core evidence of evolution.

What have we seen of Theology that can be considered "proof'? A book (Bible) written in many languages, with absolutely no living witnesses to back up anything it says. No bibliography - no references that can possibly be checked. How do we know that it is not just a book of ledgends, or stories that were told and handed down by the generations, then finally put into print? Fiction? I'm not saying that it is not true either. But where is even a shred of proof of Theology? No offense, just something I have always observed.

2006-09-17 05:03:36 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Evolution is way more than people coming from monkeys. A lot of scientists don't believe the human-monkey connection but what they do agree on is that species change over time. Horses started out the size of dogs and thru natural selection (the best adapted are the ones who live long enough to reproduce) now they are much bigger. Lots of this has been proven as much as possible, and at least it's possible to test it, which is not at all possible for God.
Look, you can believe God created the earth and still believe in evolution. I believe that's how he made the earth and how things work. Creationism and evolution are not mutually exclusive. You can tell your kids God made the earth and still tell them to study their science and get good grades because it really is true. Just look at it as a scientific extension of what you already believe. God made the earth but all of evolution and the way species adapt and change over time is just his miracle working in the world today. It doesn't make sense for science teachers to teach creationism because there's really nothing to teach except that some people believe God created the earth, any more than that and the teacher's whipping out the Bible in school and I'm sorry you can't have that, that's what Sunday school is for.

2006-09-17 04:58:18 · answer #3 · answered by Reject187 4 · 1 0

In every science class I ever took, the teacher pointed out that evolution was a theory, though it was based in science, so was to be taught. Some kids were able to skip the subject and had to take another class for the time we were taught it and recieved a different final exam, but those were mostly Amish children in my area. The schools CANNOT teach the religious beliefs in most areas because of the laws seperating state (of which the school systems resides in) from church. *shrug* You can always enroll your kids in a Catholic/religion-of-choice school.
God can't or won't show us that He began life on Earth. Scientists don't have the ability and simply can't recreate anything resembling evolution (though thanks to futuristic movies, the computer may be close-ish... maybe). So, you're right, there's little chance we'll ever know which it was.

2006-09-17 04:52:14 · answer #4 · answered by Suraya 3 · 2 0

because they are teaching the THEORY of evolution, scientific theory.

Theory is the basis of all science and evolution is a theory that will remain the same for a very long time and they will not have to buy new text books every time that another theory changes.

evolution is proven to happen in the animal kingdom.

there is no proof that we came from primates. thus the theory of human evolution.

if you want religion in schools, look out because your perfect little angles are going to be exposed to all religions,

and that would include Wicca, Paganism, Satanism, and all kinds of other things that i am sure that you consider to be "junk"


do you really think that your kids are not smart enough to make thier own decisions about evolution vs. religion, or is your faith that weak? or are you afraid that they will begin to question and think for themselves?

I am actually a very religious man, i have no problem with evolution being taught in schools because it is taught as a theory. and theory is the basis of science. i would rather teach my kids at home about religion.

hell the public school system cant seem to teach kids proper english these days, i dont want them messing with my kids religious beliefs.

2006-09-17 04:56:54 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Evolution, regardless of whether it is a perfect theory or not, is science, and can be tested with scientific methods. Creationism is NOT science, and cannot be tested with the same methods. It isn't a matter of whether God exists or not. It is a matter of whether the Creation story is proper material for a science class. I would think any sane, rational person would realize that the Bible is more appropriate for a religion or philosophy class and not for science class.

This question also skews the meaning of the word "theory." In scientific parlance, the word "theory" doesn't mean merely "guess" or "hunch." In science, a "theory" is something that has a great deal of supporting evidence and has widespread support in the scientific community. For that matter, things like Relativity and gravity are theories, but there isn't much dissent as to the notion that they exist.

2006-09-17 04:51:35 · answer #6 · answered by Tommy 4 · 4 0

Here is how I approached it with my children since colleges will cover the same material.

Personally, we know time in the Lord's time is not the same as our 24 hour day. We also know Genesis does not say that on the 8th day, Adam & Eve ate the fruit and were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. They could have spent millenium in the Garden. We also know that evolution has a common urban legend of supposedly saying man evolved from a different life form, but others read Darwin and don't feel like that is said at all. So it is possible the Good Lord may have used some evolution processes in the formation of the Earth, but anything which happened was under His direction.

2006-09-17 04:56:14 · answer #7 · answered by whozethere 5 · 0 2

1. There is NO other industrialized nation in the world, where this discussion even takes place. Catholics and European Lutherans pretty much accept evolution as the current state of knowledge. As has been pointed out already - ALL of what we think we know today is just 'theories' that get refined, re-defined and sometimes simply thrown out.... kind of an evolutionary process....if you want...oh i forgot..you don't want...

2. there is NO credible scientist that seriously questions evolution. Unfortunately, the internet with all its religious whack-jobs and pseudo scientists can skew this picture a little, if you google, sorry 'yahoo' evolution or big bang or something along those lines....but show me ONE creationist that has EVER been awarded an internationally recognized scientific award for his discoveries in 'intelligent design' and I will eat my words, and shorts.....maybe even 'the word'

3. Since we do not 'know' - evolution is the only possible approach, since it is open to refining its theory as new discoveries are being made.... Creationism, or if you prefer 'intelligent design', is set in its way and simply tries to 'explain away' every new discovery, rather than integrating it. Not a scientific process, hence not a science.... ipso ergo not fit to be taught in science class.....

4. If it had not been for people risking their lives for centuries by going against the laws of the church, we still would have not advanced medicine, no knowledge of anatomy, no real understanding of chemistry or physics.... pretty much life, the universe and everything... It ALL started out as theories....

Do you honestly want to stop this process by teaching an unproven, questionable, static doctrine to your child, rather than opening his/her eyes to the process of discovery. Do you really want to brain wash him/her rather than equipping him/her with a mind capable of understanding a process and coming to own conclusions?

Really?

Anyways, I probably just wasted my time and effort, so lets reach a compromise:

Don't make me pray at my school and I won't make you think at your church.

2006-09-17 05:15:44 · answer #8 · answered by elwoodo0oo 3 · 1 1

Oh, the beauty of ignorance. First things first, you have absolutely no right to assume that scientists don't have proof or evidence about evolution. The fact that you don't seem to think they have evidence is reason enough for anyone to realize that you have no idea of what's going on in the scientific world, and that you've been sitting there blinded by your own denial.

Yes, evolution is a theory, but in scientific terms, EVERYTHING is a theory. There's no way to prove something, mind you, there's only a way to disprove it. If you've ever taken a science class in your life, you'd know that.

So far, the ideas behind evolution ever since Darwin's time (and let's not forget Wallace) have been supported by evidence of the natural world, even with all the new technology we have. Ever heard of genetics? If you sequence species that are very closely related, you get very similar sequences. Why might that be? Do you even know what fossils are? There are huge gaps in the fossil record because it's extremely rare for anything in nature to be preserved long enough for us to dig it up millions of years later. We find TONS of mollusc fossils (believe me, go looking for them yourself) from throughout the ages because they lived in environments that allowed for direct preservation (lots of sedimentary deposits), and because they have hard parts that conveniently become fossilized. We find very few fossil remains of objects we're desperately searching for (namely, early descendants of man) because we expect that they simply didn't live in areas with heavy sedimentary deposits and low oxygen, conditions required to fossilize. Fossils don't just HAPPEN, you need very specific conditions to create them. But there ARE remains, and while only some have been found, you're not taking into account all the unsearched land out there. The fact that any remains have been found at all means that these descendants between man and ape lived, which means that your theory of everything popping out of thin air because some higher being made it that way has just been disproved.

That being said, don't call evolutionary theory "junk." There's so much more you should understand about science before calling it junk. I'm not saying that faith and reason can't be reconciled, I'm saying that you have no right to call something "junk" when you're completely ignorant about it.

Furthermore, we don't teach the so-called "theory" of Creationism because it's NOT a theory. There's NO way you could support it with evidence from the natural world. And if there's no way to find EVIDENCE to SUPPORT a theory, IT'S NOT A THEORY, MEANING YOU CAN'T TEACH IT. Ever heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Well, if people believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you can't tell them that they're wrong or that there's no such thing as the Flying Spaghetti Monster, because they have every right to believe in it as you do to your ideas about Creationism. Neither can be supported by evidence. That's right, I just compared your ideas to a giant meatball-bearing creature with noodly appendages.

As for your children, I thought of a brilliant idea: don't send them to school. Teach them everything you want them to know at home. Program your beliefs into them, brainwash them, and make sure they're mindless enough to accept what's handed to them on a platter. Make sure they don't go through life pursuing knowledge, but rather rejecting it. Then see how well they do in the world. I'm sure they'll thank you for it one day.

2006-09-17 05:03:01 · answer #9 · answered by Dumblydore 3 · 2 1

There is a lot of suggestive evidence specifically explained by Evolution. Did you know Gravity is also a Theory? Do you object as much towards your children being taught Gravity. If you wish your children not to be educated, perhaps it would be best if you raise them to be illiterate, mindless drones.

Religion is not practiced in schools because there is no evidence that is specific to any one religion. Religion can not be applied to solve problems that require scientific knowledge. Religion is not a science.

2006-09-17 04:48:14 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

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