We know a house had an architect and a builder, We know an automobile had a manufacturer, We know a watch had a maker....therefore can we assume that humans (most complicated organism known) also had a maker who has created/guided the universe and life?
2006-09-16 14:37:23 · 37 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
A few things:
-Using your "logic," if the universe was too complex to have been created without a complex creator, then your complex creator must have needed a creator. Therefore your god needed a creator, and that creator needed a creator, and so on and so forth. If you argue that this is not the case, then you are practicing a concept known as "special pleading." In other words, you can apply a concept to the universe, but somehow your god is exempt from this concept. That is a very illogical and irrational line of thinking.
-A watch may also have scratches, dents and other imperfections, and may not tell time correctly. Using this as an example, could we not also deduce that this god of yours is perhaps not only incompetent, but also perhaps malevolent in his intent?
-If I found a bible, without knowing what it was, using my knowledge of books, I would deduce that it had been written by men, without any kind of divine influence.
-I would read this website before posting further questions about the "creation of the universe":
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Where%20universe%20from.htm
I hope that you now realize how illogical your argument is.
2006-09-16 15:08:00 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
You can PRODUCE evidence of the architect, the builder, the manufacturer, etc. Even if they are dead, you can produce a physical thing to prove they once were here in matter form: with a birth certificate, a marriage license, a death certificate, etc.You should not assume that there is a god because you see a cloud, a mountain, a pretty smile on a child, etc. If god exists, then why is his behaviour so coquettish, like a giddy schoolgirl? Why not just show up, already. God can make a cloud, he just can't show up? god can make a mountain, but he can't put in an appearance ever?
Rationalism will keep the peace & find answers to the asian bird flu that we probably really should be concerned with. I see we are just about to have violence over the 'my god's name is God' vs. the 'my god's name is Allah' by the look of the news these days. The Pope said something negative about Islam & religious buildings got firebombed.
We need rationalism badly.
2006-09-16 14:48:01 · answer #2 · answered by Bronweyn 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
You are free to "assume" that there is a maker who created the universe. But your arugment by no means proves that there is one. Your argument is a classic case of circular reasoning:
1) All things must have been created.
2) The universe is a thing.
3) Therefore the universe was created.
But let's try that same logic about God:
1) All things must have been created.
2) God is a thing.
3) Therefore God was created.
You can argue that "God is not a thing" and therefore didn't have to be created. But if you do, then I will use your exact same arguments to argue that by your definition, the Universe is also not a "thing".
You see, the statement "all things must have been created" is still very ambigous. What is the definition of "thing". Perhaps your definition of "thing" is equivalent to "something that was created". If that is the case, then the first statement by itself is competely circular logic, and not useful in any way.
Finally, note that your use of "complexity" in your argument is particularly weak. You seem to be implying that anything complex must have been created by an intelligent thing even more complex than its creation. If there is a God, than God must be even more complex than man, but if complex things require an even more complex creator, what is the thing that was more complex than God that created God?
2006-09-16 15:08:47 · answer #3 · answered by Jim L 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Saying that a god made the Universe or Humans really answers nothing. It just delays the question one step. Because now you are left with who created the god.
You say god is eternal. Well it could just as easily be that the Universe is eternal.
Making it a more complicated situation by adding a step for absolutly no reason other than that is how you hope it is, is not logical. There must be a reason with solid evidence or you have added nothing to man's pool of knowledge. You have rather sent it down a path that was just made up.
2006-09-16 14:50:48 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
You're an idiot. Of course I have a maker. Two actually, my parents. And do you not see the stupidity of bringing up only artificial examples? What about rivers? We know that rivers are made by water flowing over the same area for many years, eventually carving out a channel. No one makes them. The same is true of everything natural, it isn't made by someone, but by a natural process such as wind, rain or the Big Bang.
2006-09-18 03:04:23 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
you think you've just hit the jackpot don't you. You think you've figured out the ultimate proof that god exists. Well I'm sorry but such analogies have been used excessively.
Like you said we're the most complex organism, why should life fall under the same logic as a house or a car? Humans need to have a reason and means for everything because they cannot imagine otherwise. It's beyond our imagination that something just IS, because in our lives everything a reason or a maker, and if it doesn't, we'll make it up and call it god.
2006-09-16 14:41:55 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 6⤊ 1⤋
"You see, the religious people -- most of them -- really think this planet is an experiment. That's what their beliefs come down to. Some god or other is always fixing and poking, messing around with tradesmen's wives, giving tablets on mountains, commanding you to mutilate your children, telling people what words they can say and what words they can't say, making people feel guilty about enjoying themselves, and like that. Why can't the gods leave well enough alone? All this intervention speaks of incompetence. If God didn't want Lot's wife to look back, why didn't he make her obedient, so she'd do what her husband told her? Or if he hadn't made Lot such a sh*thead, maybe she would've listened to him more. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why didn't he start the universe out in the first place so it would come out the way he wants? Why's he constantly repairing and complaining? No, there's one thing the Bible makes clear: The biblical God is a sloppy manufacturer. He's not good at design, he's not good at execution. He'd be out of business if there was any competition."
"The Earth is an object lesson for the apprentice gods. 'If you really screw up,' they get told, 'you'll make something like Earth.'"
2006-09-16 14:40:14 · answer #7 · answered by Sweetchild Danielle 7 · 6⤊ 1⤋
Analogies that compare livings things to artifacts are always tricky and usually specious.
I know evolution can be a difficult concept to accept.
The concept is much more plausible when it is explained "backwards" (ie. from Humans to viruses and bacteria) rather than vise versa.
I highly recommend a book called: Beginnings: The Story of Origins - of Mankind, Life, the Earth, the Universe --- by Issac Asimov.
2006-09-16 14:48:59 · answer #8 · answered by Jay 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
It's called you are 'created' when a man and a women have sex. And to how humans were created in the beginning. It's called Darwins Theory of Evolution. We started out as moneys. Really if you are going to state a question on the bias of hatred than you should really think it out more because there is a hole in any question and there are people smart enough to find it.
2006-09-16 14:52:36 · answer #9 · answered by Bradhadair 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
You can't know that. We know an architect made a design for a house because we can watch him/her do that. We have not watched or explicitly perceived God creating a human being.
I'm no atheist but you can't know of a creator just like you can't disprove such notions. How relevant is this line of questioning anyway?
2006-09-16 14:44:12 · answer #10 · answered by nutsack.jack 1 · 2⤊ 0⤋