To Evolutionists, Explain how non-living matter can self-organize to form living things?

Question

Abiogenesis, the theory in which life came from non-life during a premordial period in Earth's history some 3.8 billion years ago, has no basis for truth, but rather, pseudo-science at its best. Through the use of empirical and substantial evidence, please explain how abiogenesis can be possible (i.e., explain how the codes adenine, guanine, cytocine and thymine form together in a systematic superintelligent manner within DNA which has the information from the codes to create the hundreds of thousands of proteins and other functions that make something alive by naturalistic means, based on its unknowing disadvantage of blind chance and bizarre unknowledge of random happenings).

An Abstract simplification of what i'm looking for:

Explain how something that isn't alive can not only start to exist, but continue to exist having posessed the needed information within its genetic structure to help it replicate, whether off itself or through sexual reproduction.

Answer 1

I wasn't there so I don't know but it is widely believed that DNA came from a precursor system of some sort perhaps RNA perhaps something simpler yet. Some sort of selection mechanism is necessary, because that is how local complexity always comes about.

Now Please explain to me how your infinitely more complex god came to be. Don't say: "It just is" that is clearly just burying your head in the sand. Explain how something as complex as your god can exist. Was it created? Did it Evolve? Saying it is eternal isn't an answer. If it is complex it needs an explaination.

I think the only reasonable answer is not a creator god ( which just leads to infinite regression and greater problems. But that nature as a whole is extremely simple and infinite, not complex. Local complexity then comes from the selection effect of our existence. Only in local regions with local complexity can we evolve.

Answer 2

I have no idea. I'm not a researcher in that field.

I'll retort with a question for you though:

Where did the CSI for nylonase—the actual protein that the bacteria use to break down the nylon—come from?(Nylon being a recent, man-made product, but of course you knew that, didn't you?)

There are three possibilities:

1, The nylonase gene was present in the bacterial genome all along.

2, The CSI for nylonase was inserted into the bacteria by a Supreme Being. (in which case, why not simply adapt the gene that was present already, that would have done a far better job of it?)

3, The ability to digest nylon arose spontaneously as a result of mutation. Because it allowed the bacteria to take advantage of a new resource, the ability stuck and was eventually passed on to future generations.


Hmmm.....

Answer 3

You want simplification? Fine.

Flip a coin four times. What are the chances of four consecutive heads?
Answer: About 6%.

Flip a coin 20 times. What are the chances of four consecutive heads?
Answer: About 50%.

Flip a coin an infinite number of times. What are the chances of a million consecutive heads?
Answer: It will inevitably happen if you wait long enough.

Molecules in the primordial soup of the Earth lay dormant for more than 3.5 billion years before the first protein occured. It could have happened faster or slower; that it happened when it did is no indication of any mythical "god".

Just because *you* can't remember what happened before yesterday doesn't mean last week doesn't exist, and just because a book of fairy tales claims nothing happened more than 6,000 years ago doesn't mean that's the age of the universe.


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Answer 4

You've constructed a straw-man of abiogenesis. Nobody has ever said that a modern strand of DNA spontaneously formed. All that is necessary is the formation of an imperfectly self-replicating polymer, which isn't very difficult.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html

Answer 5

O.k. if we are alive because we breathe air, than ask your self what happens when we cannot breathe?

Our air no matter how poluted it might be has molecule particles which help us keep alive, and that is how everything comes to life in our planet. Any living matter in this planet has molecules that have a form of life.

Other wise we would not exist. Got it????
So my friend you do not need a scientist to figure this one out.

Answer 6

Great question. The answers are that:

(1) science can not see natural creation or replicate it
(2) generating a range of probablilities shows that no scenerio is realistic for natural creation, even with most favorable assumptions.

Keep on asking the right questions.

Also, to salient2: if natural creation turns out to be impossible, then how did we get here?

Answer 7

It's called chemistry and physics. How do hydrogen and oxygen combine to form water. It's a chemical process which is ongoing and doesn't need the presence of gods to happen. You can do it yourself in the laboratory.

Answer 8

Explain as they will, they will never understand truth. That would require a line of thought which will bring them to the bible. After gathering the facts and removing the impossible, what remains however improbable must be the truth.

Answer 9

That which created all things (GOD) is more real than the life we live now. This life is short compared to eternity. We will all live forever somewhere. It is our choice as to where. Whether people believe it or not. Just because you don't believe in one place or the other or both doesn't mean that it isn't real. The world that created this world is the real world. What is seen is temporary, what is unseen is eternal. The choice is up to us where our eternity will be spent. A choice that God gave us, because He loves us and is allowing us this life to make the right choice. To see that He sent His son to die in our place, so that we could be reconciled to Him and have everlasting life with Him. Hell is the only other option. A place where you will be eternally separated from God your Father and creator to live in torment. God doesn't just decide to send you there because you were bad or whatever. It is all a matter of choice. You can choose to believe in what God provided for you (His Son) Heaven or don't and then you will go to hell of your own choice. It is not about how good you are or how bad you are. By one man's sin (Adam) all were found guilty of sin and destined for Hell, eternity in torment by fire apart from a loving God. But by one man's (Jesus-not just a man, but 100% God and 100% man) gift all who believe can be made righteous. Not by your works, but by faith in Jesus who died for us. The law condemned us. Who among us could say that we have never told a lie (which is to bare false witness, the 9th commandment), who has never lusted after another, (Lusting in your heart is the same as commiting adultery --the 7th commandment) and what about hating someone, ever done that (To God that is the same as murder!-- The 6th commandment). We have all fallen short by God's standards. But He loved us so much that He didn't want us to be subject to the punishment of Hell. He didn't create us to destroy us. He created us out of love. A love that is so strong that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Light of the world stepped down into darkness, Humbly He came to the earth He created and all for love's sake became poor. All for us He died willingly----- for us, God's Son, Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Creator of the universe, died for each one of us. All of us!! He died for every single one of us, even though some don't believe, some hate Him and despise Him, He died for them too. If only they would believe. His heart's desire is that ALL would believe and be saved. But we have to make that choice. Jesus Christ is not about religion. He is about relationship. As soon as you receive Him, He will come and make Himself known to you, if you will seek Him in His Word (the Bible) you will find Him. Every day you can know Him more. He will not force Himself on you, (the way some church people try to do! Don't judge Jesus by us imperfect Christians in church, we are all works in progress, some of which who aren't totally surrendered to the work of the Lord in us yet. So please don't let people turn you away, like I almost did) The Holy Spirit is your guide, the Spirit of God in you (Not what people tell you to do), to help you live day by day, not by some church doctorine or law, but by the Spirit who will lead you and tell you what to do. God created us, He knows what's wrong with us and only He can fix it, when we believe and listen. He wants to work with us and in us to help others to know Him and His love for all mankind. He is not judgemental and critical the way people are. He sees the heart of a man. He does not show favoritism, He is no respector of persons. Jesus Christ died once for all. We were found guilty but Jesus stepped in and paid our debt in full on the cross, took our punishment, took our place all so that we could be with Him for always, because HE LOVES US!!