Only the weak, scared, and evil torture. Those who order and sanction torture, but leave the dirty work to others, are an order of magnitude more culpable morally. (A special place is reserved for the lawyers who give legal cover for such orders.)
http://www.slate.com/id/2149564
2006-09-16 08:10:06 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Military
For Michael and Jeff: Its still torture. Attempting to coerce confessions or gain intelligence by water boarding or other means is still torture. Where are your ethics? When almost drowning some one, is there any one standard that is safely applied to everyone ?
I must respectfully disagrere with you both.
2006-09-16 08:31:53 · update #1
Q-Burt: I am not comforted to know we are using " nice" tortures on these people and not really depriving them of life or cauing permenant injury.
To me its like being a little bit pregnant.
2006-09-16 08:36:34 · update #2
It's sadly become true that fear is driving a wedge between decent men and their morals. In the land of the free, we should never wonder whether someone has a right to torture someone else to extract what they want from them. We have a fairly consistent history of using our minds politically: now we are using our teeth and pulling hair.
It is surreal and disillusioning to hear my people assent to brutality. "Learning from 9/11" shouldn't mean forgetting the rest of the history that made us the country we celebrate every July 4th.
2006-09-16 08:19:32 · answer #1 · answered by Em 5 · 4⤊ 2⤋
Your going to have to look into it a bit deeper. All you see is "torture" and you immidiately assume the worst. A lot of people do. Which shows the common sense level of the administration.
I am miffed at the administration but I support a bill that will allow us to use psychological and non-fatal means of interrigation to get information from POW's.
Another thing a lot of people don't understand is we only keep about a quarter of the insurgance caught. They go through a screening and then into a common hold with three squares and a warm bed until released.
I only ask that people look into things. I am no advocate of the Bush administration, but I live my life by facts. You are not using them now, however. Please research.
Edit - Planksheer
Your not comfortable with the fact that we use non-fatal interrigation techniques but they torture, kill and behead our people.
How do you expect to get information from a religous zealot when all you want is for us to house and feed them and then, eventualy, let them go? Who is it helping? Not me in the field. Sure as heck not my brothers and sisters.
We are the only nation to enforce a non-lethal interrigation policy. Not a single country we have engaged has enforced one for us. This is not like being a little bit Pregnant, it is more like paying 100 dollars for a 10 dollar item. We are still getting ripped off, but it is something we need to do to succesfully defend our Soldiers in the field.
It may not seem right to people, but ask a Soldier that has been saved by information gained in this way and you will get a greatful answer.
It isn't about American Citizen protection, it's about American Soldiers protection. Some wish we did not have to do it, but can you see another way? Enlighten me.
2006-09-16 15:25:21 · answer #2 · answered by Q-burt 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
They are trying to give the 3rd part of the Geneva convention a better definition.
Right now it's so vague that one person will say sleep deprivation is ok and one will say it's not. One person can get prosecuted for it and one won't.
So if it is more defined, they will know what is acceptable and what isn't under the Geneva convention.
It really is a good thing - as otherwise we could be just like the enemy and behead people with dull knives and nobody get arrested and convicted for it.
2006-09-16 17:38:26 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Your question indicates a lack of understanding. The military has been hammered by those who say that there interrogation methods are to harsh. The Bush "torture" bill simply wants Congress to spell out exactly what is acceptable and what is not, thus protecting military interrogators from legal action. No one is in favor of "torture". We are talking about things like sleep deprivation, cold but not dangerous temperatures and loud rock music. If these methods seem harsh, what are they compared to the HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of lives they may save. These methods are reserved for the worst of the terrorist. The ones who would gladly murder you and your family without guilt.If "waterboarding" stops a nuclear bomb, is it worth it?
2006-09-16 15:19:14 · answer #4 · answered by Michael 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
If 'almost' drowning these sub-human scum sucks out pertinent intel that saves even one American life, line the bastards up, I'll do the first 100 each and every day, for the rest of my life.
As for you planksheers, you're really starting to get on my ******* nerves with your silly nonsense. You better hope the gov't doesn't decide to put out a bounty on your sorry @ss, because I will be the first to up it.
2006-09-16 18:37:24 · answer #5 · answered by briang731/ bvincent 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋
How low can the administrations of the Bullshit father and son, or the one of Penis Clinton, go? They always surprise me. So as I wrote in another answer, I would prefer to be beheaded by some Iraqi underground over being a prisoner in Guantanamo Bay, Abu Garib, the prison is Kosovaka Mitrovica, or any of the notorious prisons run by Americans.
2006-09-16 15:17:55 · answer #6 · answered by Avner Eliyahu R 6 · 1⤊ 4⤋
If you think torture is wrong or bad, check out the following link to find out what's next!...
http://www.global-conspiracies.com/fema_concentration_camps.htm
2006-09-16 22:23:46 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Bush Admin. can't get any lower they are at the bottom. Threy are evil that is why they like OTHER people to torture. Their cruel
how they can talk about religion, I don't know, . Bush says he killed his own people (Saddam) you know, WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING TO HIS OWN PEOPLE IN IRAQ.
2006-09-16 15:16:23 · answer #8 · answered by Nicki 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Well that is only your opinion, which, by the way doesn't mean anything to me. I'm all for torture.
2006-09-16 15:18:37 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 3⤋
It is NOT pro torture, it spells out what is allowed and what is not. ie. sleep depravation, which is not torture, allowed, water boarding, which can not kill you, not allowed. Do you research and don't come here with your knee jerk reactions and talking points from the DNC.
2006-09-16 15:14:54 · answer #10 · answered by Jeff F 4 · 3⤊ 4⤋