God is Rational, Religion is Reason-Based, Atheists are Illogical...Why?

Question

If a Creator exists, it took tremendous reason and rationality to create the universe and to create life. It took great passion and love.

It follows that we, as created beings, are meant to use our minds, and not be illogical or destructive or shut down our minds and have blind faith. Faith is good, if you know what and why you believe. To do this takes your use of reason. Most times, to come to a decision of faith is a great mental struggle (eg, CS Lewis).

Atheists are illogical. Example: how did the brain get programmed for eyesight. To accept 2 images, combine them, to provide near instant assessment and response, millions of lines of unbelievably brilliant genetic coding, how did that happen? We could put 1000 genius's to work on this today for 10 years, and they would not be able to figure out how to do that today. Not only is there no randomness, there is unimaginably brilliant creation involved. It simply makes no sense to believe this just happened.....naturally.

I should have added that there is not one shred of data supporting a process that creates "New" genetic code (not adapt or manipulate existing code) that creates new functions or species.... there isn't.

To believe in natural creation takes more faith, for there are no facts, than determining that a creator must exist.

Our existence comes from either (1) a creator or thru (2) some sort of natural process. One can show that the natural process is impossible, thus a creator must exist.

Answer 1

I agree.We as humans in fact use faith in many different ways though out a average week.We have faith in our employer that he will pay us on time,faith in our car that it will start and run correctly,etc,etc.How much more should we be able to put our faith in the creator of everything that exists including ourselves?If atheists were the least bit rational and open minded they would leave the possibility open that a God does exist,but they don't.

Answer 2

Your basic "scientific" thesis is that since there's so much we don't understand, then we should conjure up a wizard as an explanation. And a wizard that is conveniently beyond the reach of the logic you applied to the rest of the universe - so much for your respect of "logic.

By the way, how did you justify assuming that it's just ONE wizard? Couldn't it have been a committee of gods and godettes? Couldn't it have been the Greek gods, Hindu gods, FSM?

This "God is a watchmaker" silliness demeans both the concept of God and science. Unexamined, grandiose supernatural propositions have a way of biting the proposer.

Answer 3

Neither religion nor religion is inherently irrational. Within their own internal contexts, both are perfectly reasonable. The difference is one of belief.
Unprovable things cannot by definition be proved. There are indeed persuasive arguments for every system of belief. The modern, civilized thing to do is to respect the humanity and intelligence of all people and not fight over intangibles.
As twenty-first century adults, we can discuss our differences without bloodshed.

Answer 4

I'm not sure what you're saying, but if you believe that aliens don't abduct people from their sleep, are you basing that on someone else's belief and denying them their belief? Is it rational for you to refuse to believe in abductions, anal probes, and so on just because others believe it? Or maybe you don't believe in a Mother Goddess - aren't you basing that belief on the beliefs of someone else? I'm sure other people have beliefs that you reject. Do you consider your rejection irrational for that reason?

Answer 5

Your second paragraph ("it follows that..." follows from your first assumption ("if a Creator exists"), which you have yet to prove. Since it is unsubstantiated, the argument is only a hypothesis and proves nothing.

(I am not saying that a Creator does or doesn't exist, just that your argument is flawed.)

As for your third paragraph, this is the kind of thing that causes great debate. "We can't explain all of science, therefore God exists" is the structure...believers can accept that, non-believers can't.

Answer 6

I believe rational men and women created and shaped things to be the way they are now and lived with nature not in domination of nature

start with a blank slate not with dogma or doctrine and it will make more sense for you

if you try to take your faith as start point it will never be logical

Answer 7

"Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits." [Dan Barker, former Christian Minister, Losing Faith in Faith]

Is this the same God that allows deformed babies to be born, forces most of us to wear glasses at some time in our lives and causes countless painful diseases for which there is no cure? Just checking.

Answer 8

Complexity is not evidence that any supernatural being exists.

"It is an insult to God to believe in God. For on the one hand it is to suppose that he has perpetrated acts of incalculable cruelty. On the other hand, it is to suppose that he has perversely given his human creatures an instrument--their intellect--which must inevitably lead them, if they are dispassionate and honest, to deny his existence. It is tempting to conclude that if he exists, it is the atheists and agnostics that he loves best, among those with any pretensions to education. For they are the ones who have taken him most seriously."

- Galen Strawson

Answer 9

How is it logical, reasonable or rational to believe in something that cannot be proven?

Answer 10

Too much of shrinks & Preasts in the Society ; too much, indeed!

Ciao.John-John.