what did pope actually say?
2006-09-16 05:44:11 · 17 answers · asked by evelyn 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
cry me a river?
"I have not heard Muslim leaders come out and condemn those Muslims who commit mass murder in the name of their God. If they are truly relegion of peace this is the time for them to speak."
The pope was right to say what he has said and
for such a peaceful religion the followers of Islam have a tendency to use “the threat of violence” when they don’t like what they hear.
If Muslims were as quick to publicly condemn the suicide bombers who cowardly kill and maim in the name of Islam, then maybe we'd start taking other things they whinge about more seriously.
Its ok for Islam to print, say and spread anti christian and anti semetic propaganda. As soon as someone writes a book, says anything or even draws a cartoon even remotely anti Islamic, the death threats and the bombings and the looting and sacking of embassies etc starts.
Here we go again! Dare to say anything which could be construed as criticism of Islam, and the usual bandwagon of vilification and hatred gets underway.
Why not wonder "why do people see us in this light; why do people say such things about us?" and seek to change perceptions?!
By giving the usual reaction, Muslims merely reinforce the stereotypical view - it perpetuates the vicious circle.
With all the ongoing crisis in the middle east, as far as I can see, the quote makes a valid point.
If Muslim world's anger can simply be aroused by a quote, it's probably time to get some anger management.
I am DEEPLY tired of the islamics throwing their hands up in horror every time someone even remotely criticises their religion, and yet they feel it is okay to savage anyone (figuratively and literally) that is not of their faith.
Tolerance works both ways; if they want non-islamics to accept them, then maybe they should try to accept that not every living thing wants to be a muslim.
'No real effort to understand Islam'. Oh boo-hoo-hoo. Since when was the onus suddenly on everyone else to understand Islam? People make judgements based on what they see and experience over time. What else is there to understand? Sounds like a spoilt teenager wailing 'no one understands me, I'm so special and unique'. Why doesn't Islam make more effort to understand why a fair number of people dislike it so much?
Instead of Muslims attacking the Pope on his statement, they should be stopping the terrorist groups etc. Why can Muslims sit back and say nothing about attacks in the west but shout with anger when someone questions there way of spreading Islam. Moderate muslims have to choose the sword or democracy there is no in between.
Simple question: Do records show that Mohammed did say something along these lines? Given how he behaved, the answer is probably yes.
Yet again, Muslims are trying to rewrite their own violent history, shutting down any *factual* discussion of history by pretending to be offended rather than countering arguments with facts and getting us to give up our own valuable freedom of speech.
I am not surprised that the Muslims are complaining, all they do. Even historical quotes seem to ruffle there feathers. Yet when they say anything about Christianity or the West we just sit there and take it.
They can only dish out criticism not take it.
How about all the scum that rant and rave on our streets about how evil the West is and openly rejoice in the events of 9/11, retract all their statements?
Once again the Muslims/Islam are having another cry about some words someone has said. This shows how weak Islam is as a religion, say or draw something and they get upset BORING. My faith and beliefs in my own religon transend any petty words or drawings....
Time for Islam to grow up and become part of the world community that we live in....
He was mentioning an historical fact. Islam is the only world religion who's so called "prophet of peace" spread his word by the sword. Did Jesus or Buddha ever take up arms and resort to violence? No. Any religion that leaves room for interpretation of violence, justifies suicide bombing and advocates the repression of women cannoty be viewed as a religion of peace. If Muslims wish us to view thier religion as peaceful then they need to learn tolerance of other views and stop their murdering.
Surely Islam's ridiculously disproportionate response to things such as this and the Mohammed cartoons will only tarnish Islam's image yet further?
For heavens sake. The muslims are upset AGAIN. Are these people really that childish and insecure that every single comment upsets them.
Wouldn't it be so nice to have even a couple of days out from this constant whingeing. What offends most here is that our lives are constantly dominated by this nonsense. Why don't these people grow up?
2006-09-16 05:46:42 · answer #1 · answered by wzr5gq20032000 1 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Go to http://inpropriapersona.blogspot.com it says what does the pope said and some replays too :)
as for the Islamic agitation that is because it is not true at ALL Islam is a perfect religion and despite all the bad reputation that it got these days it is still the World Fastest Growing Religion !
2006-09-16 05:49:28 · answer #2 · answered by abouterachess 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The Pope has no reason to apologize, he quoted a 14th century emperor and it was taken out of context. I know of no other religion in recent history that has been as militant, radical, and terroristic as the Islamic radicals. Almost all terrorist acts have been in the name of Islam, all beheadings, suicide bombing, and torture has been in the name of Islam. The rest of the world should demand an apology from the Islamic clerics, and a pledge for them to stop the senseless violence done by these so called true believers.
The following was provided by another member in response to a similar question, it seems to reinforce the propensity toward violence.
Ishaq:544 “Muhammad commanded the people to prepare for the foray [raid, incursion, sortie, attack, or assault]. The Messenger informed his troops that he was going to Mecca. He ordered them to prepare themselves and ready their equipment quickly. He said, ‘O Allah, keep spies and news from the Quraysh until we take them by surprise in their land.'” Fundamental Islamic organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and al-Qaeda offer the same prayer today.
Ishaq:544 “Hassan incited the men, reciting: ‘This is the time for war. Don't feel safe from us. Our swords will open the door to death.'” And so it would be forevermore.
Qur'an 9.5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
2006-09-16 07:29:40 · answer #3 · answered by lobo 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
there's not truth to his statement because if there was any truth to it. then the statement would have elaborated further on the falsehood of Pr. Muhammad ASW. If you analyze the statement it's just an accusation that has no substantial evidence behind it. Another ignorant comment sent out to "you" from the vatican.
a man of religion should have more common sense than to attack another religion. muslims are angry because our prophet may peace and blessings be on him, is being attacked. that's not acceptable and then to have our religion attacked that's unacceptable as well. it's pretty much a call for the "crusades" that's why there is anger.
and if religion and violence don't mix, then why did the church declare war multiple times calling it the "crusades"...hmm? wanna answer that one?
2006-09-16 05:47:30 · answer #4 · answered by mimi 3 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Every thing the pope quoted was the truth. He was simply quoting from very old texts about things that are still very current in the Muslim/Islam way of life.
They were violent then, they are violent now and they will continue to be violent.
My words to the muslims is that you cannot stop being violent, God will not let you, as you have been declared "wild" and your hand will be upon every other man and his upon you.
You cannot stop what God has fortold. You think you want to do this and I am telling you that God has said that you cannot stop being violent.
YEs, Mimi, I will answer that one. The violent past of the Catholic church is behind them, the violent past and present of the Muslim world is still very much current. Want to answer that one?
2006-09-16 05:50:27 · answer #5 · answered by cindy 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋
they are too scared to openly carry forth against the violence by using fact they be attentive to what would happen to them. They continually say, the actuality hurts, and subsequently, it extremely stings them to hearken to the undeniable reality. The pope reads a quote approximately them spreading the religion via sword, and what do they do? They pass berserk and initiate firebombing churchs and killing nuns and stressful an apology. Wow, pass determine.
2016-10-01 00:51:32 · answer #6 · answered by blumenkrantz 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
There is much truth in what he said. The reason Muslims are so agitated with him is because they are unreasonable. I believe most Muslims could benefit from some mental therapy.
2006-09-16 05:49:51 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
The pope was trying to make the point that religious faith and violence don't mix and quoted from a Medieval text.
2006-09-16 05:48:45 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
just tells that how illiterate the pope is
he commented on someone he doesnt even know!
this just proves how christians misunderstands islam and prophet muhammed peace be upon him...
2006-09-16 05:49:09 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
He basicly told the truth about the situation concerning Islam.
And sadly in a politicly correct world, people don't like being told they are wrong and that the problem is them.
But it is something that they need to be told, Others should have said it long ago
2006-09-16 05:49:37 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋