for those who cannot accept the possibility that God exists because of science?

Question

sometimes it blows my mind because it seems that both time and space must have a beginning and an end, and yet cannot possibly. i do not see a way that logic can ever explain that to me. but, in the same way, God is a mystery to me, and yet i can still accept the limitations of my understanding and believe He exists. my question is: if you completely trust science and reason to give you all of the answers, how do you explain this time\space quandry?

Answer 1

No matter what we believe, we're left w/ the fact that something - god, process, whatever - always existed. I'm atheistic but I'm baffled when friends and others don't realize that if we get rid of god, we're left with the same exact problem of the mystery of existence (a friend who is also atheistic had a convo w/ me and thought he had resolved the issues of existence by just referring to scientific cosmologies and evolution; he finally 'got it' when I showed him how the mystery is still unanswered). It gets even more difficult when we think about time and space as just two other things that exist only when the universe itself comes into being. When this universe collapses, time and space ends. Of course, then 'what' is the universe expanding into? And what is meant by 'infinite'? One zen master told us, very matter-of-factly, that if the universe ended, there would still be 'buddha nature' (god, tao, whatever you want to call it). THIS is the thing that has always existed and has no form, no energy, no time, no space -- and the realization that people have with a direct enlightenment experience is that this thing IS everything INCLUDING them. It's a completely non-dualistic and overwhelmingly loving experience and can never be described. So ... the only way to answer any of these questions is to have the experience for ourselves (e.g. St John of the Cross and Meister Eckhart supposedly had this experience and spoke about it in the context of their christian background). I like 'A Course in Miracles' and Zen; for the latter, there's an excellent book, '3 pillars of zen', that offers glimpses of people's direct experience.

Answer 2

Even with science we may never completely understand all the workings of the universe. That in no way implies that there is some magical mythical being at the center of it. To simply believe in some god because of the things we can not yet understand with science is the easy way out. Our earliest primitive ancestors first saw lightning and heard thunder and without the knowledge thought surely the gods in the sky were angry. It is the same type of thinking now as we look back into the origins of the universe. We know only pieces of the truth so far and yet some do not, or will not, understand so they say oh surely it must be a gods work. Gods are a construct of man and the time for such ancient and barbaric explanations of nature are long past.

Answer 3

Man, half you guys need to take a chill pill. Obviously this girl is trying to understand things and you jump right up to call her stupid or something similar.

I think you are confusing atheism with asserting there is no God when in fact it says "There isn't proof of God or supernatural, so we will treat it as non-existent until and if there is proof of the contrary."

Personally, I don't have all the answers and neither does anyone else. I can't solve your time/space question because I haven't studied about it much, but I can tell you that it in no way changes the way I feel unless I find new proof. I hope science gives us all the answers, but it is entirely possible it may not. I think time will tell, and in the meantime I will seek more of the answers; yet that doesn't mean I'll attribute the unknown to god or anything else until I find an answer.

Answer 4

You're thoroughly confused about this.

First of all, we do not (not "cannot") accept the claim that God exists because there's no evidence for it.

Secondly, you wrong "I can still accept the limitations of my understanding", but then went right into claiming that you already have the answers, with your belief in God.

Thirdly, I think that you'll find that very few people "completely trust science and reason to give [us] all the answers". Those are of course the way to go about getting answers, but there's no guarantee that they'll give us ALL the answers.

Finally, and most importantly, just because we don't currently have an explanation for something doesn't mean that "something" needs a supernatural explanation.

In short, I don't know the answer to that "where did time begin?" thing. I accept the limits of my understanding. I do NOT say "I don't know the answer to that...so there MUST be a supernatural answer to it". That would be the supreme arrogance, and it would also be wrong.

Answer 5

Very good question and how softly you have put this question in front of everyone to response. This proves you are a faithful one .Take an example of atheist if they want to post this type of question they will have very strong and dirty words for Christians or of other faith and their emotions are quite out course even of persons who are Senior enough to be called as grand fathers.

Ok to the point as in your case you can not see the beginning of space take an example if A is the beginning B is the end then what is next to that what lies before A and after B on between of witch place we can keep space this becomes an never ending story. let me try to take you fast track, beginning ending space distance is all related in context of time because it takes for us 100 minutes to reach to so and so distance that's why this place is 50 miles away so their is an beginning and end, just imagine if you are above time like god (who was their millions year before and remain) you can travel from A to B in absolutely no time where dose the concept of space and length and deepnes matter here.Any thing if you try to bring in physical context and try to understand god you will like some modern day foolish atheist break your head for whole life to see god in order to believe him but he will not come to your sight simply because he is not an physical entity neither are we. And neither it is apart of his greater policy to come in front of any person who has lost his third eye of wisdom and sees the world with limited autocrat vision.
The moment you develop the faith in almighty and devote time and effort towards him your intellect is no more an human intellect it becomes divine it a gods intellect it can make you see god his wisdom and the time of his plan and where do you stand now this effort will rekindle the flame of your soul and you can recall how many times you have played this part of remembering and forgetting also you can see that science is nothing but a childs play witch is still emerging and changing his beliefs and guess who is helping to do so.

Answer 6

I trust science only when I see repeated valid evidence - I work in the field of science. However, science is not the reason for my agnosticism. They are two separate entities and each gets looked at in their own sphere.

I don't know if a deity or deities exist or if they don't. I think that is unknowable either way and the only way to find out empirically is through death.

Answer 7

You can't trust Science and Reason to give you all the answers. I'm not particularly religious, but humans are limited. Science should be considered a process of discovery, not an absolute truth.

Answer 8

The universe is a mystery to me...and I am perfectly comfortable not having it explained to me by science or religion on how the Universe came to be.

I don't completely trust science...

Answer 9

You know what stop. Stop trying to push your ideas and beliefs on to others. If someone wants to believe the universe was created by a giant bisexual Unicorn then for crip sacks let them. In the end does it really matter who thought or believed what, NO. I don't know what created the universe and life and no book or parchment or religion can truly tell me either, nor can it tell me what awaits me after death. I was born and I'll die a can't stop it nor can i truly control it. Live life any way you want, so long as it doesn't cause true harm to others.

Answer 10

god has nothing to do with time space he is a made up god in a fairy tail that the christians think is real because thay have been brainwashed by the churches the christians hate the truth