Are the 4 Gospels telling the truth, that no corpse was ever taken down from the cross and placed in a tomb?

Question

John's disciples, "Took his corpse and laid it in a tomb" (Mark 6:29), but no Gospel has given any evidence that a CORPSE or a DEAD BODY was taken from Pontius Pilate and placed in the tomb of Joseph.

The Gospels knew the difference between life and death and a corpse or a dead body, and they all insist that it was, "it", "he", "him", "his body", "the body", but they all have refused to describe it as a ":corpse" or a "dead body".

And Mark, who knew what a corpse was, reports that "Pilate marvelled if he were already dead".and "he gave the body to Joseph".

So, from Pontius Pilate to the tomb there is no evidence of a corpse, and the body/him/it disappeared within 36 hours, and all that was left were two pieces of linen that wrapped a head and a body, just as if it was the beheaded John the Baptist who was placed in this tomb of the resurrection.

No wonder Herod thought it was John the Baptist who had risen from the dead?

Have a go with your expert excuses!

Poor Excuses Again! Crucifixion is not just a nailing or a hanging.

The Today's English Version of the New Testament by the American Bible Society uses the word "crucified" only two times in the 4 Gospels while your Bible uses the word "crucified" 38 times.

They are crucified and they talk in your Bible but dead men tell no tales.

The Hanging to Death in the crucifixion takes place when the legs are broken, which allows the victim to die of asphyxia when his body drops and hangs by the hands and stops the diaphragm and the chest muscles from assisting in breathing.

The Biblical Jews had to secure hanging and burial on the same day, which spared them anothe three days' torture in the nailed, upright position that kept them alive and on their feet. These Jews forgot all about their Laws and their Holy Day, and the Two Jesus Thieves knew that their Lord had forsaken them as their leaders mistook them each for Christ.

Hanging was torture, death and disgrace in one bundle.

Chris c, the tomb was not sealed when the two women got there early in the morning on the first day of the week, the stone was miraculously rolled away, which cuts down on the time between Friday night, (Sabbath) and Sunday morning (first day of the week) to less than 36 hours.

The Resurrection was a One-Act Play by the soldiers who were bribed by the Sadducees to say the body, which they never found, was taken away by his disciples, but the disciples were two women who were amused by the soldiers acting out the resurrection of their Greek God, with three soldiers pretending to be Zeus and his two brothers, "And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not".(Luke 24:11).

Mark and Luke describe the "angels" of Matthew as "young men" in the tomb while John steers clear of the mumbo jumbo antics of the bribed Roman soldiers.

The Bible describes a corpse as a corpse, but no such corpse was laid in Joseph's tomb where 100 lbs of alose and myrrh was laid.

Answer 1

Interesting.

Answer 2

In Mark 6:29, it is John's disciples taking John's body from Herod's prison. Pilate is not involved and Jesus is very much alive -as yet uncrucified. John was beheaded, by the way.

There is no refusal to call anything a "corpse" or "dead body." The Gospels (like many books and even speakers) just did not use those terms - at least in the translation you read.

Herod thought Jesus was John risen from the dead because Jesus was preaching and teaching (like John had been) and was performing miracles , which were considered to mark a person as having some sort of special status -- which being ressurrected certainly would qualify, if true. (It wasn't, of John, anyway.)

Pilate is the chief official involved with Christ as he experiences his Passion - crucifixion and all. Herod is only involved tangentially. Pilate authorizes Jesus's execution - death on the cross. Crucufixion was usually a slow, painful way to die, yet Jesus dies in a relatively short time. Thus, Pilate 'marvels.'

He then "gives" Joseph the body. That is, he releases it to him, just as if you asked if you could have a cookie, I say yes and tell you to go get one. When someone asks why you later who said you could have one, you say: "He gave it to me."

There are two pieces of linen to cover the face/head and body respectively, not because the parts were separated, but because they were different sizes and shapes and could only be wrapped/covered separately.

John the Baptist had been dead for days, weeks months, by the time Jesus is even under threayt of arrest. The Passion ended Jesus's earthly ministry. John's execution was near its beginning. Once Herod sends Jesus back to Pilate (who had sent Jesus to him as having actual jurisdiction), he - Herod has no more to do with Jesus.

Answer 3

If you read the original language, you can easily see that there is referrences to the body of Jesus as being dead. But seriously, how many euthanisms do we have to politely refer to someone dying or otherwise being dead? Why what it be any different 2000 years ago than it is now?

BTW, it's three days, 72 hours, not 36 hours as the traditions have mangled. Jesus was crucified between the evenings on Passover which happen to occur on a Wednesday by our calendar and rose on a Saturday after sundown to fulfill the sign of Jonah (3 days and nights in the whale's belly).

Answer 4

Expert testimony(at least it'll hold up as well as yours!) I think you've missed the forest for running into a tree.

But I admire your tenacity and time to come up with the questionability of Christ actually being dead after his crucifixion - and then your premise that Christ isn't and John the Baptist actually is ... but I'll still cling to the Christ that found me, indwells within me, and will come again some day for me.

Your question did make for a mental exercise at my wee hour of the morning ... thank you.

Answer 5

The word "Body" indicates it is without life. And if you also remember, the Pharisees asked Pilate to post Roman soldiers as guards at the tomb so followers could not steal the body and fake a resurrection.

The Pharisees knew he was dead...so did Pilate...everyone. The soldiers watched the body placed in the tomb and sealed it.

If you're using the Bible itself to "prove" Jesus did not die, you better read the Gospels again....and in their entirety.

Answer 6

expert excuses?

there is "no evidence" that the crucifixion happened at all but clearly if you are using the new testament as your source, it states over and over that everybody involved believed Jesus was dead and that they wrapped his body and stuck it in a tomb

all the apostles thought he was dead and in that tomb as did the guards who were sent to guard the sealed tomb as did the jewish leaders who asked for the guard

again, there is no "evidence" that Jesus lived at all, but if you are using the new testament text (per your question) it is completely clear that the writers believed that Jesus was dead on the cross and that his body was put in a tomb

I really don't understand your question

Answer 7

Mark started writing about 60-70 years after christ died.

It would be like me writing a book about Hitler when I know only little about him. All estimations, no truth, and the author(me) wouldn't be very credible. Same principle follows with the bible. Not to mention it's been passed down, illustrated by man(in more ways than one), revised, shortened, lengthened, changed, & told for about 1920 years.

Answer 8

I suspect John the Baptist plays a role in the Jesus myth.

I have a speculation that Jesus was a character John used in HIS parables (Jesus literally meant 'YHWH saves'), and after John was executed, the fictional character Jesus morphed into the resurrection of John (john lives on through the stories of Jesus) and eventually into what we know today.

Answer 9

they wrapped him in grave clothes, they only do that for the dead and the roman solders were placed there to guard the tomb> What do you think they were guarding? He has risen! Repent and be saved and receive his HOLY SPIRIT RIGHT NOW! WHERE YOU ARE. He says come just as you are!Then you will receive a spirit of faith, instead of doubt! And with out faith it is impossible to please God!

Answer 10

If you know anything at all about Crucifixion then you would know it was a dead body. Or then again maybe I'm missing your point.