Did Jesus doubt the existence of God and heaven while on the cross?

Question

And if so, what does that say about the idea that Jesus is the Son of God?

Did He not tell the convert on the cross that they would be in Heaven? Did Jesus not believe this?

Well Sandy? Seems several christians do not agree with your assessment. What then did Jesus mean when he said "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Then your answer to my previous question is meaningless.

He's wrong.

He has taken the very best aspect of our shared humanity: our ability to overcome Fear with Love, and assigned it to the divine.

It is our ability to overcome Fear with Love that makes us what we are: Human. The inability to overcome Fear due to a lack of Love is what we see all around us. It is because so many project Love onto a divine and alien concept that so few strive to overcome their own Fear with their own Love.

And we all suffer for it.

It was not Jesus the God who experienced Fear. It was Jesus the Human...100% Human...who overcame his fear with Love.

God neither understands Fear, nor Love, nor Death, for he is above all that, outside the parameters of our human experience. He cannot doubt himself. And thus his plan for salvation is flawed and incomplete, for he lacks the wisdom that we, as Humans, obtain from our experience with Love, fear, and Death.

We are our own salvation, and Love is our strength and only hope.

Look inside, Sandy.

The Love you see within was not placed there by a god. It is your birthright as a Human. One you share with me and everyone else who is Human.

When you accept this, you will find yourself more enabled to truly Love than any god could imagine or inspire.

Peace.

Answer 1

Not the existence of God. If he still spoke to his Father, which he did when asking why he had been forsaken, no, he did not doubt his Father's existence.

Did he doubt the existence of heaven? I would imagine not, since he did not doubt his Father existed, and he knew where his Father lived.

What it says about the fact that Jesus is the Son of God is that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God at the same time. So that he would have God's knowledge while also having the potential for humans' fears.

What Jesus doubted is hard to say. He doubted something, though--maybe God's decision to defeat sin. I have no idea, not having access to his mind.

Jesus did indeed believe that he and the faithful thief would be in Heaven. This was before he asked his Father why he had been forsaken.

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from G. K. Chesteron--much more competent than I in discussing such difficult things:

"Lastly, this truth is yet again true in the case of the common modern attempts to diminish or to explain away the divinity of Christ. The thing may be true or not; that I shall deal with before I end. But if the divinity is true it is certainly terribly revolutionary. That a good man may have his back to the wall is no more than we knew already; but that God could have his back to the wall is a boast for all insurgents for ever. Christianity is the only religion on earth that has felt that omnipotence made God incomplete. Christianity alone has felt that God, to be wholly God, must have been a rebel as well as a king. Alone of all creeds, Christianity has added courage to the virtues of the Creator. For the only courage worth calling courage must necessarily mean that the soul passes a breaking point and does not break. In this indeed I approach a matter more dark and awful than it is easy to discuss; and I apologise in advance if any of my phrases fall wrong or seem irreverent touching a matter which the greatest saints and thinkers have justly feared to approach. But in that terrific tale of the Passion there is a distinct emotional suggestion that the author of all things (in some unthinkable way) went not only through agony, but through doubt. It is written, 'Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.' No; but the Lord thy God may tempt Himself; and it seems as if this was what happened in Gethsemane. In a garden Satan tempted man: and in a garden God tempted God. He passed in some superhuman manner through our human horror of pessimism. When the world shook and the sun was wiped out of heaven, it was not at the crucifixion, but at the cry from the cross: the cry which confessed that God was forsaken of God. And now let the revolutionists choose a creed from all the creeds and a god from all the gods of the world, carefully weighing all the gods of inevitable recurrence and of unalterable power. They will not find another god who has himself been in revolt. Nay, (the matter grows too difficult for human speech,) but let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist.

"These can be called the essentials of the old orthodoxy, of which the chief merit is that it is the natural fountain of revolution and reform; and of which the chief defect is that it is obviously only an abstract assertion. Its main advantage is that it is the most adventurous and manly of all theologies. Its chief disadvantage is simply that it is a theology. It can always be urged against it that it is in its nature arbitrary and in the air. But it is not so high in the air but that great archers spend their whole lives in shooting arrows at it -- yes, and their last arrows; there are men who will ruin themselves and ruin their civilization if they may ruin also this old fantastic tale. This is the last and most astounding fact about this faith; that its enemies will use any weapon against it, the swords that cut their own fingers, and the firebrands that burn their own homes. Men who begin to fight the Church for the sake of freedom and humanity end by flinging away freedom and humanity if only they may fight the Church. This is no exaggeration; I could fill a book with the instances of it. Mr. Blatchford set out, as an ordinary Bible-smasher, to prove that Adam was guiltless of sin against God; in manoeuvring so as to maintain this he admitted, as a mere side issue, that all the tyrants, from Nero to King Leopold, were guiltless of any sin against humanity. I know a man who has such a passion for proving that he will have no personal existence after death that he falls back on the position that he has no personal existence now. He invokes Buddhism and says that all souls fade into each other; in order to prove that he cannot go to heaven he proves that he cannot go to Hartlepool. I have known people who protested against religious education with arguments against any education, saying that the child's mind must grow freely or that the old must not teach the young. I have known people who showed that there could be no divine judgment by showing that there can be no human judgment, even for practical purposes. They burned their own corn to set fire to the church; they smashed their own tools to smash it; any stick was good enough to beat it with, though it were the last stick of their own dismembered furniture. We do not admire, we hardly excuse, the fanatic who wrecks this world for love of the other. But what are we to say of the fanatic who wrecks this world out of hatred of the other? He sacrifices the very existence of humanity to the non-existence of God. He offers his victims not to the altar, but merely to assert the idleness of the altar and the emptiness of the throne. He is ready to ruin even that primary ethic by which all things live, for his strange and eternal vengeance upon some one who never lived at all."

Answer 2

Jesus question was a quotation from a psalm of David(Psalm22:1).In David's case the question related to a momentary condition of abandonment .
Similarly,when uttering the words of Psalm 22:1,Jesus keenly sensed that his Father had momentarily withdrawn his protection and "forsaken"or released him into the hands of his enemies,to die as a accursed criminal on a stake.(Gal.3:13).In asking "why",Jesus did not imply that he did not know know the reason for this abandonment nor was he expecting an answer from his Father.The situation is comparable to that of a Christian who knows the reason for human suffering but is moved,under the weight of intense difficulties, to ask "why",either silently or audibly.Jesus outcry evidently served to confirm his innocence and focused on the real purpose for his suffering.
The Bible clearly shows that Jesus is the son of God,and not God the son.It is not an idea,it is a fact.
Also Jesus, did not tell the criminal that he would be in heaven,with Christ.He told the criminal he would be paradise because of his faith,ie.paradise on earth.(Ps37:9-11,29)

Answer 3

No. He did this in obedience to God the Father. Our sins were upon Him so there was a horrible separation between God the Father & God the Son.

He told the convert, the one who confessed he was guilty as charged and Jesus Lord & asked Jesus not to forget him when Jesus Christ entered His Kingdom, that he would be in Paradise with Him.

Jesus believed He would go to Abrahams bosom, Paradise & also death & hell. So when He raised from the dead; Abrahams bosom & Paradise went up to Heaven.

Answer 4

Jesus didn't doubt at all.When he said"My God,why have you forsaken me?" He was quoting Psalm 22.If you read Psalm22 you'll see that King David prophesied his "greater son's" death on the cross,1000yrs before it happened. Right down to the dividing up of His garment.If you read it,picture yourself on the cross,looking down. How the pain and the weight of His body was pulling on His joints.His thirst and humiliation.He never doubted that He would regain his place in the God -Head. Even in the garden he said "Father,let this cup pass from me (having the sins of all mankind put on his sinless spirit),nevertheless,not as I will,but as YOU will."He knew exactly what He was doing.

Answer 5

JESES IS

That mean Is everything, can do anything, be anywhere ect........

Power in heaven is Jesus Christ., HE IS the Throne, He is the Spirit

Matthew 14:11
Believe me that I AM in the Father, and the FATHER in ME; or else believe me for the very works' sake

Matthew 14:7
IF YE had known ME, YE should have known my Father also; and from henceforth Ye know him, and have SEEN HIM

Revelation 1:4
John to the 7 churches which are in Asia; Grace be unto you, and peace, for hm

WHICH IS< AND WHICH WAS< AND IS TO COME; and from the 7 spirits which are before his Throne

Answer 6

Jesus did not doubt the existence of God while on the cross.
The Bible says that Jesus is the Christ and Son of God.

He did not tell the thief that he would go to heaven. He told him he would be in Paradise.

I'll edit in the verses that back these sentences up. For now, I have to get to the dinner table.

Answer 7

I don't think your observations can be used to imply that he doubted the existence of God. It is quite concerning that your quote can be used to contradict His statement about "savouring" the pain in life.

Its a shame that we can't go through the archives at that time; the smallest shred of proof may yield the largest amount of information.

We must remember, however, that the Romans were incharge at that time. Anything written would have been composed in such a way to make them look "good". Mr. Piolet comes to mind.

Answer 8

Jesus say ' I am the way, the truth and the light, noman cometh unto my father but by me"
What is the way? The way of his living sample in life. Simple, humble but revolutionary sample of all the wrong beliefs of the time. That's why he was killed. He completed his Way by showing through his suffered life (the Truth) to us and knowing peple would never understand the Truth just like you. He came to earth by human flash not by spirit. He will suffer pain like human and he will act(murmur) like human. I may not like him if he was showing all the super natural powers, or smiling and happy and easy when he died, which is not our human life. I always get strength from his suffers, murmurs and of being misunderstood and mistreated all in his life until death. This is his Light showing you how you may have going throug in this life but can complete it with the kind of his human strength (not with his supernatural power).

Answer 9

Do you doubt your existence? The Father was as real to him as this world is to us. He is the only one that has actually seen God because he came from him!

Jesus told the thief beside him that he would join him in paradise for his display of faith!

Answer 10

Jesus believed that they would all be in Heaven and all along it was planned and Jesus knew he would be with God. He would go to be with His Father. There was no doubt .