A lot of Muslims seem insulted by the Popes recent speech mentioning a quote from 14th century Christian Emporor. Was the pope in the wrong? Should he apologise?
2006-09-15 12:50:37 · 21 answers · asked by PEP 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The Pope was 500% correct.
Where was he wrong? according to who?
I believe the Pope serves God, not Fox News.
He told the Truth. Like or not. I'm sure he thought about this before hand, ya think?
I'm sure he could care less of the world views either.
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Any man of God, would not care what people think. He will preach Truth or he is a nothing.
Good Q*
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2006-09-15 12:59:40 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 4⤋
The Pope quoted some Byzantine emperor and he didn't say he agreed. Neither did he say he disagreed - which is where the problem arises.
Everyone is expected to tread on eggshells when it comes to Islam. We are meant to apologise to Muslims for the crusades continuously. Pope John-Paul II apologised, even though he had nothing to do with it. Just how much apologising does it take? Every religion and every race has a dark period in history - should we all be apologising?
Islam means peace? Is that why they have extremists willing to die in the name of Islam? Is that why many moderate Muslims became violent at the Pope's quotation, which ironically justified everything the Byzantine emperor said?
The real fact of the matter is the media has blown this out of all proportion. They are trying to force a story and an interpretation in order to make money. What the Pope said was irregular, but he clearly didn't mean any harm by it. Yet, the media seems to be portraying the entire incident as if the Pope echoed and endorsed this quotation. We MUST blame the media, you cannot trust anything you hear, it's all angle driven, sensationalist drivel meant to appeal to certain markets in order to sell. Never believe a media organisation is "on your side" or is reliable.
A mistruth is as sellable as a truth. Turn off your TVs, burn your newspapers and boycott Yahoo! news.
2006-09-15 23:19:27 · answer #2 · answered by Stomach 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Mistake or not. Aren't we learning some things about Muslims?
Don’t you see the irony in Muslims being able to desecrate a Christian Temple in Jerusalem by spreading feces on images of Christ? But a Christian leader (the Pope) can’t remind people of what 14th century Byzantine emperor Manuel Paleolous II said about the profit Mohammad several hundred years ago. It wasn’t even the Popes own words or thought. He was repeating what Paleolous II supposedly said. . What’s with the hypersensitivity anyway?
The Muslims can dance in the streets; shout and yell; raise their fists all they want to but I do not believe the Pope owes Muslims an apology for anything.
Some have contended the terrorists are a form of radical Islam and a small minority of the faith. They say the large majority of Muslims are a peaceful people. I am beginning to wonder about these claims when I see the reported millions in the streets protesting what the Pope repeated.
Two faced or what? Is Islam a peaceful religion or a violence based religion? By what I am seeing and hearing, I would have to conclude the latter.
2006-09-15 14:32:04 · answer #3 · answered by scubadiver50704 4 · 5⤊ 0⤋
The Pope has no reason to apologize, he quoted a 14th century emperor and it was taken out of context. I know of no other religion in recent history that has been as militant, radical, and terroristic as the Islamic radicals. Almost all terrorist acts have been in the name of Islam, all beheadings, suicide bombing, and torture has been in the name of Islam. The rest of the world should demand an apology from the Islamic clerics, and a pledge for them to stop the senseless violence done by these so called true believers.
The following was provided by another member in response to a similar question, it seems to reinforce the propensity toward violence.
Ishaq:544 “Muhammad commanded the people to prepare for the foray [raid, incursion, sortie, attack, or assault]. The Messenger informed his troops that he was going to Mecca. He ordered them to prepare themselves and ready their equipment quickly. He said, ‘O Allah, keep spies and news from the Quraysh until we take them by surprise in their land.'” Fundamental Islamic organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and al-Qaeda offer the same prayer today.
Ishaq:544 “Hassan incited the men, reciting: ‘This is the time for war. Don't feel safe from us. Our swords will open the door to death.'” And so it would be forevermore.
Qur'an 9.5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
2006-09-16 07:40:53 · answer #4 · answered by lobo 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Those who write in condemnation of Pope Benedict XVI's treatise in his old university should not be taken-in by the rants of people who have not read the text of his lecure.
Included in the body of the text are these words;
'For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.'
Where is the difficulty muslims are prepared to find, apart from a passing reference to a long-dead Christian emperor.
2006-09-15 14:42:49 · answer #5 · answered by lordofthetarot 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I just read the entire speech and it was promoting peace and speaking out against the notion of holy war. It is not the pope who made the mistake.
2006-09-15 12:54:11 · answer #6 · answered by anabasisx 3 · 3⤊ 0⤋
The Pope did not make a mistake by quoting a written statement made 600 years ago. It wasn't his own word, it was a quote and can't be quilty of making reference to a word said or written by someone else.
2006-09-15 13:11:54 · answer #7 · answered by bluebell 2 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Yes he should. I can't understand why he used that particular example when he could have easily chosen a Christian example to make the same point. The counter would be that the lecture was about the nature of Jihad - but I think he showed a level of ignorance for someone in his position that should be recinded.
That said, a section of Muslims (and I have many Muslims friends incidently) around the world cannot accept any criticism or analysis of their faith - without going to extremes.
In Kabul Muslims were killed be fellow Muslims protesting about cartoons - what's the greater crime - the cartoons or killing you fellow citizens who are demonstrating?
The Christian emporer in question was facing imminent loss of power to Muslims - and I think that explains his words more than anything else.
It's also worth remembering that the Pope was in the Hitler Youth - though I don't blame him for that, for we all when young see our society and its actions as the norm, and there would have been great problems not joining.
But the crimes of the Catholic church are many - like most faiths, they tend to conveniently forget them or think that a quick sorry is enough. Look at the Vatican during the second world war. Look at the crusades from my own country. Look at Iraq today. Hindu and Seikh extremism in India.
2006-09-15 12:59:51 · answer #8 · answered by Ben H 2 · 3⤊ 4⤋
the Pope made a mistake by not following Peter's message of Acts 2:38.
2006-09-15 12:56:10 · answer #9 · answered by Southern Apostolic 6 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Yes, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, the Pope is supposed to be a holy man, how wrong his bigoted mind is.
2006-09-15 14:04:59 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋