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2006-09-15 11:03:57 · 9 answers · asked by carl 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

I'd think the ingratitude and unbelief of those still to come.

2006-09-15 11:16:28 · update #1

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The crucifixion of Christ.

2006-09-15 11:05:57 · answer #1 · answered by Augustine 6 · 3 0

a. Mary mother of Jesus, not "mother of God"

God is without beginning (Ps. 90:2; 1 Ti. 1:17)
Mary was mother of God's Son, in his earthly state. (Lu. 1:35)

b. Mary was not "always" a virgin

She married Joseph (Mt. 1:19, 20, 24, 25)
She had "other children besides Jesus." (Mt. 13:55, 56; Lu. 8:19-21)
These children were "not" his spiritual brothers, but flesh and blood (John 7:3, 5)

So we see here that Mary was no more or less than any other woman. She just happened to be a virgin who was of the house of David and thus able to bear the Christ.

2006-09-15 18:14:37 · answer #2 · answered by AdamKadmon 7 · 0 2

Crucifixion

For Adam K:

a. "Mary mother of Jesus, not 'mother of God'"

Jesus is God. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Therefore, she is the "mother of God." The following excerpts tell us that Jesus, the Word, is eternal; that He is distinct from God the Father, but He is God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God; all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. (Jn 1:1-3)

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth (Jn 1:14)

John bore witness to him, and cried, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, for he was before me.'" (Jn 1:15)

b. "Mary was not 'always' a virgin"

There is no assertion in scripture that Mary was not ever-virgin.

"She married Joseph (Mt. 1:19, 20, 24, 25)"

Yes, she married Joseph, but there is no discussion about sexual relations, only about the lack thereof.

In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. (Lk 1:26-27)

"She had 'other children besides Jesus.'" (Mt. 13:55, 56; Lu. 8:19-21)

This quote is not in the passages which you referenced. Mary is never referred to as "mother of" anyone but Jesus, whom we know was conceived by the Holy Spirit. The passages do contain reference to Jesus' "brethren" or brothers. It was Jewish custom to call close relatives brothers or "brethren." This does NOT mean, however, that these "brothers or sisters" were biological sons and daughters of Mary. "Brethren" was also used in ancient Hebrew and Aramaic languages to indicate other familial relationships such as cousins, nephews, etc. All in an extended family, and even clans and tribes, were "brethren" or brothers and sisters. Furthermore, James and Joses referred to in Mt 13:55 are identified as the sons of Mary of Clophas. (Mk 15: 40, Jn 19:26)

And Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no husband?" And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God." (Lk 1:34-35)

"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brethren James and Joses and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?" (Mt 13:55-56)

Then his mother and his brethren came to him, but they could not reach him for the crowd. And he was told, "Your mother and your brethren are standing outside, desiring to see you." But he said to them, "My mother and my brethren are those who hear the word of God and do it." (Lk 8:19-21)

There were also women looking ton from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome," (Mk 15:40)

But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. (Jn 19:25)

"These children were 'not' his spiritual brothers, but flesh and blood" (John 7:3, 5)

They were relatives, but not necessarily his biological brothers. The tradition of the Catholic Church holds that Jesus was the only child of Mary, ever-virgin. This is not contradicted in scripture.

So his brethren said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples may see the works you are doing..." For even his brethren did not believe in him." (Jn 7:3,5)

"So we see here that Mary was no more or less than any other woman. She just happened to be a virgin who was of the house of David and thus able to bear the Christ."

Yes, a woman. However, "happening" to be the virgin mother of Christ does set her a bit apart from others.

2006-09-16 11:26:37 · answer #3 · answered by Caritas 3 · 0 1

When her son died on a cross in front of her eyes after being tortured and mocked for his way of thinking.

2006-09-15 18:08:41 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 4 0

Watching her own son get crucified and dying on the cross.

2006-09-15 18:06:50 · answer #5 · answered by Display Name 3 · 4 0

Was it me? I'm so sorry. It's all my fault.
Wait, a virgin? I didn't do it. I swear. I never touched any virgin.
But it's still my fault isn't it?
I'm sorry.

2006-09-15 18:12:16 · answer #6 · answered by anyone 5 · 0 2

To think that people might think more of her than her son, probably.

2006-09-15 18:06:41 · answer #7 · answered by Jay Z 6 · 0 2

that people wont let her rest in peace. they claim he aids in prayers to God, no proof. Catholics need to let it go.

2006-09-15 18:06:53 · answer #8 · answered by ? 6 · 0 3

No orgasm!

2006-09-15 18:06:04 · answer #9 · answered by theagitator@sbcglobal.net 2 · 0 4

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