The philosophy of JUSTICE....isnt this UNCHRISTIAN..and against CHRISTIAN'S LOVE?

Question

This question was posted since few weeks ago,...but i never have a satisfying answer.So maybe now somebody wise can answer.

When we talk about justice,..it contain REVENGE,...we cant DENY this.Some people said justice is not revenge...i cant accept this!....because it just doesnt make sense.

If we follow Jesus :...we will forgive and and love other people....
If we follow philosophy of justice:....we will never forgive before we punish other people fault....

i appreciate for honest answer here,.....If we follow Jesus Teaching,...we will forgive...everyone who do harm to us...Jesus even pray to those who torture Him....
What Paul did was revenge and defence..by cutting roman ears with sword,..which Jesus didnt agree with..

Justice for americans,...will be different from chinese,..africaners..arabs...etc..Justice is very RELATIVE to where you live.Just realized this ....

Answer 1

Hmmm. I think you and I are asking the same type of question tonight.

I'm guessing (but not sure, that's why I asked mine) the answer has something to do with response to personal injury (mercy) vs. response to threat to citizens you have been assigned to protect (justice.)

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I keep thinking of the "Righteousness and Peace have kissed each other" Messianic reference in the Psalm 85. Anyway, I'll be interested to see what others had to say for your question and mine.

Answer 2

it doesn't make sense? It make a hell of a lot more sense than Christianity. What's your preoccupation (and every other Christian's) with forgiveness, when you have things like hell etc? Is Christianity 'forgiving' homosexuals for being homosexuals? No, it's condemning them, disallowing them rights such as marriage and parenthood. Is that tolerance?

Justice is NOT necessarily revenge, although it can take that form of people so choose to. Revenge implies the offended person 'getting back at' the offender for their own benefit and satisfaction. However, if justice is served through something like law or even karma, that person is getting the deserved 'punishment' but the offended person has NOT sought revenge. Revenge is usually advantegous for the offendee and disadvantagous to the offender.

Furthermore, does a compulsive murderer deserve forgiveness? Some crimes don't. If we turn to Christianity and 'forgive' we'll have criminals rampant everywhere. Only in an ideal worl would people ALL followed Christian morals and no-one would stray from righteousness... but that's not going to happen so it's very naive to suggest justice be taken away and forgiveness implemented.

Answer 3

Justice is defined as "The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.
Law. The administration and procedure of law."
God gave the government the authority to kill, punish, or imprison others who do not follow the rules, depending on the severity of the crime.
God is a Just and Jealous God. Justice is allowed, but only as punishment, as little revenge as possible...
I hope that this answer pleases you..

Answer 4

Justice means far more than revenge. It must be used in context. Justice is often used to mean "setting things right." For instance, freeing slaves was an act of justice. Feeding the hungry, protecting the weak, helping the poor are all considered acts of social justice by Christians.

From a more legal perspective, I suspect justice does involve a good deal of revenge, however, there is also a protective role, in that weak people in society are protected from violent and predatory people by keeping them separated. Justice is a complicated notion, and it need not involve revenge at all. In fact, in my church, the United Methodist Church, justice is almost always used to mean sharing good things with and doing good works for the least fortunate among us. This is just because all humans are created in the image of God and God owns our souls, our bodies, and also all of those possessions that we are presently stewards of.

Answer 5

If my understanding of what Jesus taught is correct, then it would be that of forgiveness and love. I can't explain why anyone would hold onto that kind of punishment, and I posted a question earlier that I have still don't have a real answer to, and I'm starting to think I probably won't because there is no justification even within the guide lines of Christianity to support anything other than love in action.

Answer 6

Okay… This is an Atheist's response. To the best of my knowledge these are facts of law.

Justice is a question of law alone; it has nothing to do with belief of any kind nor does it have anything to do with philosophy. Moreover, the decision of what is just is of the law and only the law can issue penalties and punishment; in addition, as with philosophy and belief, the law has nothing to do with vengeance and nor does it have to do with forgiveness; further, it has nothing to do with hatred or love.

It is the duty of the law first to weigh an issue in question, and then to decide what must be done to make a fair settlement of that issue if according to its best judgment a settlement is in deed required.

You make three fundamental errors in your stated argument; they are contrary to abidance under the law:

First, you state, "...justice is not revenge...I can't accept this!" The law does not exist for anyone to accept it or not, the law exists for everyone equally and it is not a rightful option for individuals or groups of individuals to choose or reject. It is the law and we are all subjects equally under the law.

Second: you state, "If we follow philosophy of justice:..." Once again you assume that it is an option which may be chosen… it is not. Individuals do not have the right to exclude themselves from the law by merely electing to do so. Obedience under the law is the only choice and the law is ultimately the only civil authority.

Third, you state, "...we will never forgive before we punish other people [at] fault...." The law does not recognize your right to refuse it as the sole authority having the power to decide and issue justice. The law, however, does not address itself to weather or not you forgive - it doesn’t care one way or another about how individuals feel - that is completely at your option; but, it does address itself to your strict abidance to ALL laws, including this: that it is unlawful to act as if you are an authority above the law, as if you have the authority to judge and punish. By taking actions belonging to law into your own hands, you in fact are acting against the law; it is a criminal offense to do so and any individual or group that oversteps this law can be tried on criminal charges. Those found guilty of partaking in an action that is in any way harmful to another will be justly tried and if, according to a decision of the courts punishment is deemed to be necessary, such punishment will be defined solely according to the law and executed by lawful authority.

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My opinion is: There is a good deal of confusion in your question, and overall your argument fails.

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Answer 7

If I can remember what my Master told me a month ago correctly, justice is only determined by what an individual feels is penance for the wrong done to him. Justice is revenge, taken only as far as what the person revenging is feeling as proper revenge. For instance, an eye for an eye, is justice, but an eye for a head isn't. It's too much for only taking the eye. It's a thin line, but you are correct, justice is revenge, only justice must be controlled to keep the name justice.

Answer 8

wow, thats deep. so when god says an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, whats that mean. the old testimate shows where some of our first laws were made, and it did include death as a punishment for some crimes. in the new testimate, did jesus ever protest agianst the set laws? did he say to stop killing criminals? he taught forgivness, but never to empty the prisons. god is the final judge for our lives, but you must not overcatagorize his words. he said to turn the other cheek, but nothing if the hand that strikes you is holding a knife. now should all christians be slaughtered or subjugated becouse christ espoused non violance? i think not. you can forgive a man for his crimes, pray for him, but he has chosen his own path, and mans laws, passed down from the begining, still hold on this earth.

Answer 9

Justice is not revenge.

Have you ever been brought to justice for something you have done wrong? I'm not talking purely in legal consequences. I am talking about going to a person you have harmed and making amends? Is this not a form of justice? Yes? And is it also not justice that is devoid of revenge? I think so.

I am not sure who "we" are when you say "if we follow philosophy of justice...we will never forgive...." Are you talking about God's justice here?

God's justice does not seek revenge. God's judgment is infallible--and mysterious in many ways, until we face him.

Answer 10

what is the God's philosophy of justice? God's Judgment, What God is condemning people to or what God is rewarding people with.

God is condemning people to Eternal death which is second death and permanent death. after first death on earth they will be raised to life to explain there faults in life because of which they do not get ETERNAL LIFE.

God is rewarding his people with eternal life. HE has already rewarded them like Enoch, Moses, Elijah, Jesus and many others.

And will raise to eternal life Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, John the BAPTIST, Paul etc.

but he may not raise Cain, Lot, Judas, Caiphas, Pilate etc.

God is 100% justified because the judgment system of this world -high courts, supreme courts do condemn people whether they are found guilty or innocent.

But God will forgive everybody, he still forgives but the way is by Jesus and his Sacrifice. Because the cross finally condemned Satan to eternal death.

Revelation of Jesus Christ 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

God condemning people to second death. 100% evidence is with him who broke which commandment and lived a unrepented life.

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