why when u ask people not to be mean-when i say the Messiah Jesus cares about them-they get even meaner-why?

Question

Isaiah 7 vs 14 says a miracle sign would happen-a virgin would have God with us---ok so its already said it would happen

Isaiah 52 vs 13-52 vs 12 says -He will be exaulted, but first marred more than any man-and he will lay down his life to make atonement for our sins, and be despised and rejected."

we dont hate fairy tales -we hate the truth and -it is another proof that for my Jewish people and all people Jesus is our Messiah and made the blood atoenemnt for our sins---no temple no atonement without jesus-makes God a liar-cause he told Moses we got to have a blood sacrifice to make atonement for our sins-Leviticus 17 vs 11
shalom heart and soul peace -even if u just fulfill the prophecy that we would despise and reject him. yet he dies and rises for our atonement and to be our friend psalms 22 & 16th chapters he will not let his anointed one rot in the grave-and he will give us joy ohhhyess when we come to know him peace to alll ohhhyessss-and my tears are turned happy!

Answer 1

Hi David Israel!
I just want to encourage you to keep up the good work of spreading the good news of Jesus ....Jesus is the Messiah and I praise Him daily........I glad you found the truth....don't worry about the negative responses...that is normal when the darkness in them comes across the light in you........GOD BLESS

Answer 2

David,
You are a Christian. Stop this evil and deceptive form of missionizing. It degrades Christianity.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApnC4dngKeRuGKyqQldbLd_zy6IX?qid=20060723102937AA4N2eb
. It is, by definition, impossible for it to be "jewish" to believe in jesus. "Jewish" is, by defintion, what jews have historically and contemporarily believe. Since in neither scenario do we find "believing in jesus", then we must clearly realize that belief in jesus is not something "jewish". You can call it "biblical" (and still be wrong), but certainly not "jewish".
. On the side, the subject of Isaiah 53 is promised a "long life" and "seed" (i.e. physical children). Clearly this isn't about jesus.
. And Isaiah 7 is clearly not messianic if you read the whole chapter. and "alma" doesn't mean virgin either. You'd know that if you spoke hebrew (I guess it wasn't part of your "extensive jewish upbringing", huh?)
. On the side, Isaiah 9 can't be about jesus since, according to christianity, he's the "son" not the "father" (as the verse states). Nor did he have control of the government (to the contrary, the roman government killed him). And he certainly did not establish "endless peace".
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Sources:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp
http://jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/general_messiah-criteria02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messiah#Textual_requirements
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oh, and lastly, I've decided that you truly epitomize everything I find intensely intellectually unsatisfying about christianity. (And you clearly do not understand hebrew.)

Answer 3

Well
What you have said is so True

Because when someone is mean and you Tell him to do not be mean
Is Like you Telling Them who Really They Are
And as we Knows The Truth Hurts
So That Hurt Them, and makes Them More Meaner

But my Advice for such people
You Are Bringing Bad Picture to Nobody else But You
so Take a trayer and change
peace and Thanks for the Question

Answer 4

Because you CONTINUE TO ASSUME that I want to swallow the crap youre peddling....

Now, kindly STFU and quite whining...its getting old. YOure Christian....are you aware all this whiling is making you appear GAY?

(maybe that will shut him up people - what do you think? Doubtful....)

Answer 5

We don't care what you have to say, that's why! How would you like it if we went to you all the time and said, "there is no god, there is no god". It wouldn't be very nice of us, would it? Well, it's not very nice of you to keep shoving jesus down our thoat.

Answer 6

Their sin nature.

Answer 7

Hi David cuz theyre stirred up by Satan We can let them ask and then ignore the bad ones...

Answer 8

In spite of this missionary certainty, there are both translation and contextual problems with their interpretation.

The chapter describes a servant ("eved") whose condition is not happy -- a "suffering servant.". The central question is, who is this servant. To answer this question we need to know who is the speaker of the different verses. Christians assume that the speaker in Isaiah 53 is the nation of Israel or, even more generally, is all of us. However, by starting with the previous chapter, where this particular episode about the "servant" actually begins, we see in verse 15 that the speakers are the kings of other nations.

The first problem with relating all this to Jesus is that the KJV of Chapter 53 has several translation problems. Verses 3 and 4 speak of the servant's "grief" but the Hebrew word here is "choli" -- "sick" Verse 3 says "we hid as it were our faces," as if the speakers were embarrassed by the servant' appearance, but the Hebrew "mistar" is singular -- the suffering servant arouses contempt just like someone who hides his face. Verse 5 speaks of "stripes," a specific wound resulting from a whipping, but the Hebrew "heverto" is more general -- bruise or injury -- without reference to whip marks. Verse 6 in the KJV reads "the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all" but the grammatical structure suggests "wounded him with our sin," the implication being -- not that the servant took on the responsibility for someone else's sin, but rather that what someone else did hurt the servant.

The Jews for Judaism analysis of Isaiah 53 makes these additional points about translation: in verse five, rather than "he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities," the prefix "mem" means "from," not "for", i.e. the speakers of the verse hurt the servant, not that he was punished by G-d as a substitute for them. In verse 11, the Hebrew "yatsdeek" means "will make just" (by bringing the Torah), not "will justify (someone's sins by taking their punishment)."

If you incorporate these different translations into the text, you get a markedly different impression. "He hurt a lot and knew what sickness was" just does not sound like"A man of sorrow and acquainted with grief." "We despised him as someone who hid his face" does not mean the same as "we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised." In short, the almost reflex identification of the chapter with Jesus depends on the translation of the text -- not on the text itself. And to see that in fact the text does not refer to Jesus, we need only to examine the ...

The second problem is that Jesus doesn't fit several of the details in the chapter. a) As mentioned above, Jesus was never sick. Some say that he was sick during the crucifixion, but physical trauma (e.g. execution) is not considered sickness in the normal sense of the word. b) Jesus had no children. Some say this refers to disciples or spiritual children, but the word "zera" is common in the Tanach and, when applied to people, always means linear descendants, not someone's disciples or followers. c) Jesus was not buried with the wicked. One cannot even say he died with the wicked since the Hebrew "rashaeem" is plural and, according to the crucifixion story, one of the thieves next to him ended up in heaven and so was not wicked. d) Jesus did not have long life. Missionaries say he had long life in heaven, but that, again, is stretching the meaning of the word. e) verse 9 "Nor was there deceit in his mouth." doesn't apply because, according to the gosple accounts, Jesus lied to his family about going to Jerusalem. (John 7:8-10), and lied in saying that he never taught in secret (see John 18:20, vs. Matt. 16:20, Mark 8:30 and others).

The Jews for Judaism analysis of Isaiah 53 points out that a) contrary to verse 2, Jesus is never described as physically unattractive; b) far from being rejected and despised as verse 3 says, the Gospel writers describe him as being popular; c) contrary to verse 7, Jesus did a lot of talking; and d) instead of being non-violent (verse 9), Jesus overturned tables, chased people from their jobs, and promised to bring swords.

So then, while the first impression on reading a Christian translation of Isaiah 53 may be to think of Jesus, looking deeper shows that the Hebrew text does not sound like Jesus, and the context shows shows many differences from what the Christian Bible says about Jesus.

Who then is the servant? Though some Jewish scholars have said he will be the Messiah, more likely the chapter does not refer to an individual person at all. Isaiah himself identifies Israel as the servant of HaShem:

* Chapter 41:8 But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me, 9 Whom I grasped from the ends of the earth, and from its nobles I called you, and I said to you, "You are My servant"
* Chapter 44:1 And now, hearken, Jacob My servant, and Israel whom I have chosen. 2 So said the Lord your Maker, and He Who formed you from the womb shall aid you. Fear not, My servant Jacob, and Jeshurun whom I have chosen. ... 21 Remember these, O Jacob; and Israel, for you are My servant; I formed you that you be a servant to Me, Israel, do not forget Me.
* Chapter 45:4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you (i.e. Cyrus) by your name;
* Chapter 48:20 Leave Babylon, flee from the Chaldeans; with a voice of singing declare, tell this, publicize it to the end of the earth; say, "The Lord has redeemed His servant Jacob."
* Chapter 49:3 And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast."

Christians have many objections to the idea that Israel itself is the subject of Chapter 53:

Christian Objection -- Jewish Response
The servant is repeatedly referred to an an individual -- Tanach often describes tribes and countries as if they were one person, usually the founder.
Israel is not silent, "as a lamb to the slaughter" -- During the Holocaust Jews were described in just those terms, going to the gas chambers like lambs to the slaughter.
The servant "had done no violence". --The lack of violence need not be absolute, but can refers to the reason for them being slaughtered. The Jews had done none of the violence the Nazi's had accused them of.
V 4 -- Israel cannot itself bear its own griefs -- The speaker in the first nine or ten verses is the neighboring kings. Israel carries their griefs, not its own.

Isaiah 53, then, continues the theme of prior chapters: Israel is the servant of God. It will suffer at the hands of other nations, but through that suffering will be able to bring the Torah -- and its salvation (though not in the Christian sense of the word) -- to everyone. Whether you agree with this interpretation or not, it is completely consistent with the text. However, the idea that Jesus is this suffering servant is not consistent with the text.

To summarize -- Isaiah 53 says: The neighboring kings confess: They (Israel) bore the sufferings which we deserved, while we thought them afflicted by God; that the sufferer described (i.e., Israel) grew up in the presence of God, as a root out of the dry ground; that he was despised and rejected; that his countenance was so marred as scarce to retain the human form; that he (i.e., some Israelites) actually suffered as martyrs; that he (i.e., therefore, these who died or who were exiled) actually suffered death, and was buried with the rich; that kings (when the messiah came) would acknowledge him (Israel); and that he should intercede for the transgressors. >

Answer 9

keep crying

Answer 10

are you gay?