The premise of Intelligent Design is that all life and complexity must have had a creator.
In response to being asked who created the creator:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AsH7egdFtEJYTXRBxk3Q9Krzy6IX?qid=20060912221136AAym5Lf
We were just told that the creator (living & complex) does NOT in fact require a creator.
In other words, this person is saying that the original premise of ID was false to begin with.
And the whole thing disappears in a puff of logic.
Thank you for taking this little tour through the workings of logic.
Please tip your waitstaff.
2006-09-12 18:38:49 · 18 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Oh, my question is this:
How do people fall for self-contradictory garbage like ID?
2006-09-12 18:51:51 · update #1
icheeknow, I happen to be a published scientist and a statistician.
don't try to talk to me about the "math" behind ID.
I can tear that garbage up in my sleep.
2006-09-12 18:55:57 · update #2
What is really amazing is how otherwise intelligent people just pass right over the illogic of claiming complex life required creation while at the same time claiming the creator was not created.
Marx was correct when he opined that religion is the opium of the masses. They are as delusional as any other drug addict.
2006-09-12 18:45:37 · answer #1 · answered by Left the building 7 · 6⤊ 2⤋
Your premise is wrong. ID scientists do not say that ALL LIFE and complexity must have a creator only that there are some things in nature that are very complex and cannot be explained by random or natural forces of nature. ID deals with observing the PHYSICAL world not the spiritual realm. Since a spiritual realm is not directly observed by science it cannot be proven that a Creator must have a creator there.
2006-09-14 22:15:41 · answer #2 · answered by Ernesto 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If the spaghetti monster wanted all these folks in heaven, wouldn't he have just created them there in the first place... Seems like a non-efficient way to work. Put these guys over here on this little planet for a bit, then they spend eternal bliss with me.
These people are O-Tarded.
Think of all the wasted Tithe
Think of all the wasted sundays
Think of all the wasted hours of prayer that could have been "DEVOTED" to physically do something about what they were praying about.
I just personally want to thank the spaghetti monster for giving me an extra sunday per week to get things done while all his people were in church.
Stay logical, rational, and reasonable, never delusional.
2006-09-13 01:48:00 · answer #3 · answered by Jimmy 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Nice try but your "logic" does not in any way dismiss Creationism. Because your "logic" comes from a biased viewpoint that is unwilling to look into or accept the idea of the eternal. God is not restricted by time and space as we are. He is outside of time. He did not have a beginning and does not have an end as all things in time do because as I stated He is outside of time. Your bias does not erase to mounting evidence that everything we know was created by a Creator. No more then saying since Henry Ford is dead then there is no such thing as a Ford. (Although God is not dead as He exists eternally). Evolution has been disproven time and time again and even the intelligent scientific community is beginning to understand the ID is the locical and scientific approach to how we got here.
If you want a real evidence and want to set aside your biased opinions check out www.answersingenesis.org.
2006-09-13 02:01:48 · answer #4 · answered by pastorJ 3 · 1⤊ 3⤋
What makes you think that in order for us to be the result of intelligent design that we need to know who created the creator. That is a whole different question about which we have no evidence, for many reasons like our ability to cross barriers of space and time. We have here evidence which is quite conclsive about our own little corner of the universe. Look around read, learn math. There is way more evidence than can be covered here in this small space that establishes beyond any doubt that the life on this planet is the result of intelligent design. Open your eyes, Do the math. For a person not to see this truth they would have to have a gigantic pair of blinders on and a complete inability to do math. Are your experiences so narrow that you have not observed things that yell at you loud and clear that all this was thought out. You hypothesis is absurd and based in pride and rebellion and if I sat down and talked to you for a day you would in the end admit that, but then I am a most excellent expert in refecting peoples thoughts back at them.
2006-09-13 01:52:51 · answer #5 · answered by icheeknows 5 · 0⤊ 4⤋
Have you seen the questions I have asked so far today.
I officially prove that there is no higher power that resides over Intelligent Design....on fact I (today at least) am a case study of how evolution makes a mockery of design!
2006-09-13 10:44:30 · answer #6 · answered by Ichi 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Not so fast dude......are you saying that there is not intelligence behind what is happenning in the universe.....I happen to think that evolution and intelligent design can co-exist....I know this may be hard for you to understand but the Bible doesn't have all the answers but neither does science....and neither ever will.....science at best will only ever describe what is happenning in the manifested world and religion will only point us toward how to answer the ultimate mysteries which science will not and cannot ever answer. ... The ultimate answers come from within ( that is within you!)....and ultimately the subjective world is just a reflection of the unmanifested world.
2006-09-13 01:46:35 · answer #7 · answered by dharmabear 3 · 0⤊ 4⤋
LOL I love the logic and reasoning behind this question... the sole purpose for intelligent design and then they disprove their whole theory...
2006-09-13 12:51:08 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
OK are you saying that Creationism is false? OK gotcha I agree as a Catholic, yep I do OK now why don't you ask me something worth answering? Why is it that I never got a response to my challenge either?
2006-09-13 07:52:57 · answer #9 · answered by Mr. T, formerly known as Shadow. 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
You know, the funny thing is science requires logic, an aspect religious persons perceive ID to have, but in reality actually lacks.
2006-09-13 01:43:03 · answer #10 · answered by Steve-O 4 · 5⤊ 2⤋