I think its great for school children/ students to say the pledge every morning, but why have "under god" in there? So many people have different religions with different gods, and some like me are athiest, so it really isnt the same as when it was created. just give opinions, please, thats all i did, im not trying to make people mad or offend them, but im just curious what you think, i dont want everyone to be atheist, because without diversity life would be terrible.
2006-09-12 15:00:19 · 27 answers · asked by Michelangelo 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
to mary_nath, last time i checked they still said the pledge and still had under god in it, and by the way you need to learn proper grammar
2006-09-12 15:06:23 · update #1
to xjoizey, last i checked wiccans believe in more than one god, so you are not correct there.
2006-09-12 15:08:53 · update #2
wow, some people are getting testy, im not trying to offend, i just wanted opinions
2006-09-12 15:10:34 · update #3
p I gray... what are you smoking, you had to be high to write that seperation of church and state is a myth. http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/tnpidx.htm if you dont believe me.
2006-09-12 15:29:17 · update #4
p I gray, i did not say were you high... i said what are you smoking? if your going to quote me please quote me correctly.
2006-09-13 10:11:16 · update #5
caus the ppl who made the pledge were christians?
2006-09-12 15:01:44 · answer #1 · answered by uhohspaghettiohohs 5 · 3⤊ 2⤋
The original pledge was written by Francis Bellamy a Baptist minister who was later forced to leave his church because of his socialist teachings. The original pledge did not include the words "under God".
"Under God" was added by an act of congress in 1954.
Part of the reason that "under God" was added and still remains today is that the USA is still a majority Christian nation. According to the World Fact Book in 2002 the self identified religious affiliation is Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1%, other 10%, none 10%.
The pledge is not, nor was it ever intended to be a binding oath. If you disagree with it, don't recite it.
Chris J... I do agree with most of your self proclaimed rant. However the protection of separation of church and state does not exist. That is a gross misrepresentation of the constitution, not intended by the framers.
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Sorry, your website that has been "protecting the freedom since 1990" does not hold up to what the constitution actually says, in the first amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I don't read "separation of church and state" I read that congress can not establish a state religion. This was included by the framers because of the fear of establishing a transplanted "church of England" in America.
The protection does not exist.... nor has it ever existed.
You asked for an opinoin, I gave mine..... making asinine comments like "Were you high" are childish and argumentative and add nothing to an intellectual debate.
Added: I paraphrased... hence the words "comments like". I never claimed to quote you, but the meaning was the same. Still argumentative and doesn't change the fact that your point is invalid and your comment immature.
2006-09-12 15:20:40 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Whoever came up with our pledge also were the ones who based this country on christianity.
But, yes, times change, and America is not a one religion country.
So, I don't know, I don't say the pledge, but that's not because of the "Under God". The under God part has been there for ever and just bringing up the idea of removing it causes chaos.
If some feel offended by saying "under God" then when that part of the pledge comes up; don't say it.
2006-09-12 15:07:08 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
I agree completely with you. I absolutely love the deluded christians with their petty god, who assume that all of this BS god-pushing garbage was here in our country from the begining. It was added recently, over the last hundred or so years.
IN god WE TRUST, was added tocoins in 1861, while it was added to paper in the mid 50's. The same thing goes for the pledge of allegiance.
I am a proud American, and I'm a proud member of the military, and I gladly fight for the right of cloudy-minded religious nuts to worship their gods.
I also love that religious nuts translate some things word for word, then take another and just accept the geenral meaning.
No, the constitution does not say "seperation of church and state", however would you like it if someone forced you to bopw to a statue of a penis every night? Or if we added, "there is no such thing as god" to the money? Of course you wouldn't!
All we want is a country that does not promote religion, in other words, a country that does not expect me to respect the 10 commandments, or to tolerate the words 'god' on anything, not on my money ,and not in the pledge of allegiance.
Simple-minded xtians are slowly losing their grip, and the more they struggle to prove their point, the more the enlightened minds, and intelligent, free-thinking people realize religion is just a bogus way of making yourself feel better. god is imaginary. Trust in reason.
2006-09-12 16:24:47 · answer #4 · answered by TonerLow69 3 · 0⤊ 2⤋
This is a Christian nation founded by Christians. When our Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and the Pledge of Allegiance were written they were written by devout Christian men who considered what God wanted in everything they did. They also wrote these things with the expectations and desire that this would remain a Christian nation for all times.As Christians we are commanded by God to love and get along with all people but we are not to compramise our beliefs in doing so. By the way, the term "seperation of church and state", was meant to keep the government out of church business, not to keep the church out of government.
2006-09-12 15:16:51 · answer #5 · answered by jim h 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I am a Pagan, so when i say under god,,,well that could be any god to me. i really do not have a problem with the trem "under god."
I would think that an athiest, simply would not care because it would just be words to them. if you do not believe in any gods then to say under god, well it is just words. what does it matter.
Christians, and Muslims both worship a single god , and use GOD as the descriptor of their diety. so it should not offend anyone here.
so i really cannot see what the big deal is. if people have such a problem with the "under god" in the pledge, then they should burn all of their money and refuse to use american currency because of the "in god we trust" .....again could be any god.
i am more worried about religious types getting their paticular ideals passed into law. Abortion, Gay Marriage, Stem cell research etc. because this is a direct violation of Church and State.
If Churches want to be involved in politics then they should be TAXED.
and remember the last time we mixed religion and law people were burned at the steak, and lynched and drowned because they believed in a different religion.
and as far as saying under god in school,, the kids should be allowed to say it or to not say it. as they see fit.
but i dont want to hear any complaining when some kids start saying under satan.
or under Cunerrouus,,,or any of the other pagan gods...because that is their right too.
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COME ON HERE PEOPLE
"Under God' was added to the pledge. and america was founded by Christians. but was founded by people that were persecuted that did not believe that anyone should be persecuted for their beliefs. it was founded on religious FREEDOM.
this is not now nor was it ever a CHRISTIAN country.
this is a country founded by CHRISTIANS, on the basis of religious freedom.
Learn some history that is beyond the dribble that they teach you in public school...
half of you probally still believe that the CIVIL WAR was fought entirely over SLAVERY.
sorry for my ranting (touchy subject and all)
2006-09-12 15:09:47 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
If people believe in the Bible, they could be moved to join the battle of Armageddon. But if they don't believe, it's just a religious war. The world is getting like the end of the game RISK, where whole continents could be formed (NAFTA, NASCO, Pan-American Union, Amero replaces the dollar, etc.) by someone powerful enough, like the three richest men in the world, but really, there are too many people in the world right now anyway, and the Earth cannot sustain the population growth.
2006-09-12 15:06:59 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
This country was started with God in mind. It's a mostly Christian country. There are more people that believe in God or a god than those that don't believe. By requesting God to be taken out of society is just one way one religion (atheism) is mandating their beliefs on to others.
2006-09-12 15:05:25 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
It's strictly religion. Whatever religion you may believe, you feel strongly in it (I hope). Same goes with other people. Whoever does not believe in God or whatever "God" they're talking about during the pledge of allegiance would have a problem with it because they're pledging something under a deity they don't believe exists.
2006-09-12 15:10:54 · answer #9 · answered by bloody_darkangelgirl 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
This country was founded under Christian principles. It is in our Constitution and our Pledge and on our money. Many people escaped here from other countries to worship God in their own way.
2006-09-12 16:10:48 · answer #10 · answered by TJMiler 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The religious references in pledges and so forth are slowly being removed. For example, swearing on the bible in court has already been taken out. Give it time and that sort of stuff won't exist any more.
2006-09-12 15:11:03 · answer #11 · answered by Paul J 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋