There was an SPCA website with cesar milan and big X over him with a title saying that he was inhumane!?

Question

How can they be so hypocritical? Cesar trains dogs with behavior that is in the "red zone" and without his help these dogs would more than likely be put to sleep. Cesar takes these dogs rehibilitates them so that they get a second chance at life. Now this SPCA website says that they put down dogs who have serious behavior problems. So they are saying that it is humane to just put down a red zone dog rather than training it and giving it a chance at life. To me this is so hypicritcal and that this SPCA believes that killing dogs is more humane than doing what cesar does with dogs. Cesar gives them a chance to live!!!! I applaud him for what he does.

ok literally this website says that he is inhumane because he uses a dominent voice "harsh" voice...and they say that we should and I quote
"You have to be nice and politically correct to the dog"... hahaha ya right if i did this my dog she would be like what do you take me for an idiot and keep doing what shes doing haha!

Obviously I would NEVEr and no one should ever harm an animal. Which Cesar does NOT harm animals! He just uses dominent authority.

Could you imagin asking your kids politely to do something all the time they would laugh at you and not take you seriously. You must set boundaries and be the authority or they will walk all over you! The same is true with dogs.

Answer 1

I agree with you, he does wonders for dogs I hate seeing like animal cops and a dog is too aggressive and has to be put down, I think they should be sent to cesar and he can work with them and get them to be good pets.

Answer 2

The SPCA only has limited space and limited resources. They have to make a choice between saving dogs with serious temperament problems and saving those dogs who are good natured and would make safe and loving pets for families. There is no room in the world for all the seriously disturbed dogs to be allowed to live out their lives. I know Cesar believes that unredeemable dogs should go to no-kill shelters because it's people who made them the way they are, and I agree with him, but it's just not practical or possible.

I didn't see this website, so I don't know why they're calling Cesar inhumane, but I do understand the SPCA's position about having to put vicious dogs down.

Answer 3

while i agree that a dogs behavior problems stem from it's human owners inability to train it correctly, and i agree that some of the training methods deemed inhumane by the SPCA are in fact good training devices when used in the hands of expert trainers, i have to disagree with the thought that all dogs have a right to rehabilitative behavioral training. those dogs that do not respond or revert back to their vicious ways should in fact be put down for the safety of the public. let's not be children here, but responsible rational adults. what portion of the population do you think is actually going to give one of these dogs a home and not ruin the training it has already received and cause it to be a danger to society? that said i will have to add that the times i have watched the dog whisperer i do not recall seeing inhumane treatment of animals, however he has been stated saying that the techniques he performs on the show should not be used by people at home. i find this to be very irresponsible, as many people view it as a 'how to' program. i feel in the future the dog whisperer will not have his television show much longer lest national geographic fear being sued.

Answer 4

My opinion? Cesar's a great trainer.

However, some people think that dogs and children should not be "oppressed" with rules and discipline of any kind. Some people think that putting a dog in a crate is inhumane. Some people (like PETA) think that even owning a dog is inhumane. The nice thing about living in America is that everyone can state their opinion - even if everyone else thinks they're wrong!

Answer 5

Wait a minute.Go get a choke collar and put it on your neck and have someone drag you around before you call anyone hypocritical.O.K?
It is not humane to put down dogs who are in the RED ZONE.But it is also not practical to put a partially rehabilitated dog in the hands of an idiot who has no idea or inclination to follow up with training.
Milan has done an excellant job thus far in getting people to understand that animals need to be treated with consideration and respect.He's making more and more aware that dogs talk to us all the time.We just have to use more than our ears to listen.
Milan has admitted he has no formal training in this field.Neither do I.
He has a huge pack of well behaved dogs.I have 2.I agree with his common sense methods but I don't agree with the ones that involve any pain or discomfort to the animal.
I've had many dogs over the years that others claimed were untrainable or too aggressive for one reason or another and I can tell you from experience that no dog can be rehabilitated in half an hour and LOVE is the starting point in building trust and opening the line of communication not pain.Calm,assertive.Most defineately.Dragging a dog by it's neck while it fights you.NEVER.
I applaud him too.For an uneducated idiot to make people sit and take real notice of their dogs and make them realize that they are mostly causing the dogs to have issues and show them how to stop is a wonderful thing.

Answer 6

I am starting to hear a lot of bad towards him and the way he does things and that his techniques have been temporary.

I have never watched him but a friend taped them so I will have to get on it to see. It is true it does take time to redirect aggressive behavior. In most cases it would just be the instance and the situation at hand on his show. You get the dog in another environment it could snap and the other big problem is the dogs learn more to redirect with him and not others that it comes in contact with.

I believe in giving every dog a chance but if it has a history of biting and being aggressive it is a danger to society and could snap at anytime. I would rather see it go easily without suffering verses at the hand of someone it goes after and being beaten down because it attacked again.

They all have their issues but aggressively attacking they do need to be pts there are plenty of great awesome sweet as punch dogs dying while we try to reverse an animal trait in an animal. I think we need to work on the aggression in today youth and take control of the dog population through spay/neuter education.

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We have adopted puppies to good loving homes that have had to bring them back at 6-8 months because they are mean. Poor breeding it is not always people. Ive seen beaten dogs and they are usually better. Sweet and happy for any lovin. I kept a puppy three years ago that was scared of her shadow and won't go near anybody. I didn't do anything to her she was 8 weeks old. She never bothered us so we let her hang out and she has her crate knows where everything is and she only lets us touch her. She is not vicious she will hurt herself to get away from someone. But this behavior had nothing to do with people. Her sister is the same way and lives a good hour from me????

I only have to stomp my foot and my dogs think moms mad. I don't have to be harsh, sometimes if Im in a mood I might be but not with mine. There have been fosters you need to be more stern and commanding voice. My dogs know a lot of hand gesture because Im on the phone a lot with rescue. It is so funny when I say okay Ill talk to you later they all scramble to the back door. Potty time.

Answer 7

I agree that animals that can be trained or rehab-ed should be given every opportunity; however, Cesar's way is or should be held as questionable by reputable breeders and dog owners alike. Yes, the owner needs to be the seat of authority rather than having the animal rule the roost; however, this behavior should be brought about through responsible training and positive reinforcement. You should not have to rule by fear or you will have an animal that resents you and will eventually take the opportunity to "get even" which will be disastrous and lead to long-term negative behavior stamping....which I guarantee Cesar won't be around to help with...nor will he send you flowers when little Fido puts you in the hospital from an aggressive attack.



Taken from May 17. 2006 Newsday.com article:

Some of the methods Millan uses to return a dog to "balance" include pinning it to the ground, jabbing it with his hand to simulate the mouthed correction of a packmate, and administering the occasional smack to the head. A $25,000 lawsuit filed this month suggests that such hands-on tactics can take their toll, with a television producer claiming that his 5-year-old Labrador retriever Gator was choked and "overworked" on a treadmill at Millan's Dog Psychology Center in South Central Los Angeles.

Veterinarians incensed

"To call his operation a psychology center is a total paradox," says veterinary behaviorist Nicholas Dodman, director of the Animal Behavior Clinic at Tufts University's Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine and author of "Dogs Behaving Badly" (Bantam, $14). "I think, like a bullfighter, he understands how to approach and work around a dog, but thereafter he stops. He doesn't understand separation anxiety. I doubt he knows what obsessive-compulsive behavior is. Basically, with a smile, he's going to war with these dogs."

Dodman says Millan relies on two musty tools popularized a half-century ago by heavy-handed military dog trainers and considered out of vogue amid the current emphasis on reward-based training. One is "positive punishment," where an adversive action - "poking and jabbing and pulling and prodding" - is applied to get the dog to stop a behavior. The other is "flooding," in which the dog is "basically drowning" in something it doesn't like, sort of "Fear Factor" for Fido.

"Imagine," says Dodman, "if there was a new Dr. Phil for children, and he said, 'If your kid is playing too many video games, get a big paddle and whack him on the head.'People would be incensed."

This is the case with his colleagues at the prestigious American College of Veterinary Behaviorists, which shared its concerns in a letter to the cable network. (Among them: Nowhere on the show does Millan suggest that owners first rule out a medical cause for aberrant behavior.) And when news of the Gator lawsuit broke, Dodman says the chatter on the group's e-mail list was about volunteering to be expert witnesses against Millan.

Answer 8

Why would this surprise you? ASPCA is, at best, AR-lite. The ARs are not about loving animals at all, but about ending pet ownership.

MANY (not all) 'rescues' have ARs working with them and would just as soon PTS instead of adopt, period.


Dog trainer - "Some people (like PETA) think that even owning a dog is inhumane. The nice thing about living in America is that everyone can state their opinion"

Well, it certainly isn't only PeTA, but HSUS, IDA, DDAL and others. The others just hide it better.

The problem is that they have gone WAY beyond stating their opinion by pushing all the anti-dog laws we are having to fight. Having an opinion is fine, but I DO NOT agree with their no more pets agenda and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Answer 9

I don't believe it! I watch "The Dog Whisperer"
all of the time. Unfortunately, he's on the West Coast and I'm on the East Coast. My dogs do not listen and when I try to do some of the things he does, it doesn't work. To me the guy is just plain fantastic and I would invite him into my home at any time. Anyone can see with their
own eyes, that his 37 dogs are well cared for and I bet all the movie stars in Hollywood use his services. I say rubbish to the rumor!

Answer 10

Actually they have a very good point and I know this because I have actually put a LOT of research into it. ANY dog can be rehabilitated, the reason the SPCA does not do that with dogs in the "red zone" is because there are too many careless owners and therefore too many animals who need homes. Imagine if they spend weeks trying to rehabilitate one dog and in the meantime hundreds of adoptable dogs kept coming in and since the trainers were working with ONE dog, HUNDREDS of other dogs had to be put to sleep. Its sad, I know, I hate that animals have to be put to sleep and it is a terrible injustice by society but that is life. Since they obviously dont have the time to rehabilitate these dogs they can not release them into the public because they ARE NOT SAFE. Instead of blaming an organization thats trying to actually help animals why dont you point fingers at the people who are careless or abusive with their animals?

As far as Cesar Milan goes, His ideas, methods, and treatment of dogs is COMPLETELY outdated...look back to behavioral books from the early 90's and you will see that he is just taking old dog psychology ideas and repackaging them to look like he is a genious, but its not so. Yes, dogs are animals, and most importantly they are dogs, but guess what our pet dogs are DOMESTICATED, and if you have researched animal/human psych at all you will know that a great deal of a dogs disposition in based on environment. Yes they have instinct build into them, but so do humans, so does any animal. A wild dog is NOT the same as a DOMESTICATED dog, period.

Like I said before, ANY dog can be rehabilitated, but his methods are often inhumane and can actually be damaging to the psychological health of the dog. Ask ANY of the leading experts today on animal/dog behavior and they will tell you he is just a cash cow with a winning american-dream story. Cesar is popular because yes his methods do work SHORT TERM, and people love the quick fix to their problems. However his "rehabilitation" exposes the dogs to severe stress, which leads to anxiety, and under that anxiety they will perform whats asked of them in fear of their own life. However any dog can be rehabilitated using positive reinforcement....if you dont know what that is go look it up. It is very time intensive and is not a quick fix, but it works. It will work for the dogs lifetime without making it live in constant anxiety.

Go look at the case studies from dogs he has worked with and you will see many of them may have looked great on the show or in his book but they have now relapsed and are back to their usual problems. I am not saying that all Cesar is saying is untrue, yes dogs do need a pack leader, and being calm assertive IS really important, but he didn't come up with those ideas, they have been around for over a decade.

Cesar is taking a step backward in the world of dog psychology, and its sad because I know that a lot of people are using his quick fixes because they buy a dog and don't want to invest the time in getting to understand how it thinks. Cesars "way" to train dogs is NOT the only way, and while its better than abusing a dog to gain obedience its coming pretty close.

One final, but important criticism of him is that he never looks for medical reasons a dog may be behaving badly which can quite often be the case. He needs to at least run base line blood tests on the dogs to rule out some problems as well as look for "water on the brain" or other health issues that might cause a behavioral problem.

I read Cesars book, watched the dvds, and thought he was brilliant for a while until I started looking into it. So until you are ready to provide homes for all these dangerous dogs, I suggest you stop calling people hypocritical and maybe donate some money so they will be able to provide more homes for these poor creatures.