Israel Versus Palestine?

Question

Please see "foofoo's" question about this topic. This is a rebuttal.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=20060911221047AAeFigt&r=w&pa=FZptHWf.BGRX3OFMhDxVU8EnWLELB3WO4yUaCJ4cdEntuTnXMEibVKYd60IgDERViddyphQ_kjJ3zfmsZA--#EZInWTPvAmHPiWs52oCuarJTRuj0sMhm4DbaOFIlzvDEj9_ci8mr

I would like to hear any comments, positive or negative.

Those of you who told me I wasn't being objective:

Neither are the Palestinians, and the supporters thereof. I never said Israel was perfect. But they have, as I said, tried to persue all avenues of peace and diplomacy in good faith, and it was their land to begin with.

Those of you who questioned those facts:

The Bible is not a history book. There is something called a library, containing other books, which contain facts. FACTS. And you also have access to online encyclopediae, maybe you should research some.

For example, Judea is the province where Judaism gets it's name. Judea is the geographical location of ancient and now modern day Israel. The Palestinians (Philistines) were NOT there first.

Finally, read up a little on the arab conquest of the world, and the crusades which followed. There would have been no wars to drive arab conquerors out of Europe and Jerusalem, if the arabs migrated peacefully to those areas. They did not, they conquered. Read history.

By the way... saying "my facts are wrong" or simply "you're not being open minded or objective" is not an argument which disproves what I am saying. You have to state your reasons why my facts are inaccurate, with your sources, if you are going to try and discredit me and every historian in the civilized world.

And if you were offended by what I had to say: Tough.

I am offended by the rhetoric of "wipe Israel off the map" and "death to America and the Zionists". But I do not call for the destruction of Palestine, or any Arab state. They do, however call for the destruction of the United States and Israel (and every single non-Muslim state, by the way. This means YOU.)

But of course they butcher their own Muslim bretheren more than anyone else. This is the primary reason why they must be stopped. They are Hitler. Mass graves, ultra-nationalism, anti-Jewish sentiments, calling for the destruction of an entire race.
The only difference is pretending to be Muslim.

Answer 1

I'd say it is reasonable well balanced...u and foofoo... if you read the two mixed together it is easy to see why this problem will never be resolved.

I don't like #13 though... ;-)

Answer 2

First of all, your point 13, shows that you're not able to have an open, intelligent and polite ideas exchange,
And if you start from the idea that when a community had lived somewhere one day, several centuries ago, it own the land.. You accept then the idea of being jailed in camps (like the palestinian) if the native american decide one day to have their land back and get all the "white people" out ! that's fair...don't you think so?

Answer 3

Mel - "M I" did an amazing job of summarizing the historical past of the Zionist colonization of Palestine and in doing so defined why your Palestinian friends sense the way they do. Israel exists in spite of the undeniable fact that it is going to not. The UN did not create Israel and you could study the small print of the UN courtroom circumstances till you won't be in a position to study anymore and could not at all hit upon a rfile that announces they did. that's merely between the pile of Zionist myths. enable me upload one ingredient nevertheless via fact no person reported that the Zionists won't provide you a great counter argument. have you ever talked to an exceedingly decrease than the impact of alcohol individual who refuses to admit that they are decrease than the impact of alcohol? nicely in case you have then you already understand what arguing with a Zionist is like. in case you have not at all argued with a decrease than the impact of alcohol - then, once you do for the 1st time be happy to scream, "You bloody Zionist, you're decrease than the impact of alcohol, merely admit it."

Answer 4

Just from the tone of your opinion, it seems clear that you have never analyzed this conflict in an objective manner, which is the only way to really learn the truth in anything, in my opinion. I could give you my opinion, but this would be redundant because it seems you've already made up your mind, no matter what I could bring up. But, if you want, e-mail me and we can go through your 12 statements one-by-one.

Answer 5

Actually, many MANY of your "facts" are wrong. The links below are just a couple place that give a detailed history. The second one is written by Jews for Justice in the Middle East...so let's avoid the typical "anti-semetic" retaliation.

Answer 6

ok, good question, but I would like you to see (I think better than hearing) and check this link & let me hear from you all

http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

put your self in the same situation what would you do Mr. free man who is comming from a free land which smartly is making the samrt rockets?

Answer 7

hear is your answer dude , isreal was the original occupiers of palestine. ok.till god yes god expelled them to punish them . and they were made slaves of the egyptians. moses freed them and then they wandered the desert for forty years sound familiar yet. then they reclaimed the holy land called isreal. try reading the book called the bible it tells it all. ok. isreal belongs to the isrealites get it not the arabs ok. arabs are what you call squaters , get it. is it making sense yet. good i knew you would understand.

Answer 8

Nobody wins in war. US and other arms suppliers are the ones winning because they sell arms with high prices.

Answer 9

Palestine will win, if it was a head up war. but the other countries give israel all type of army stuff and Palestine nothing. and call them terrisot. and that messed up

Answer 10

the problem could be solved if there wasnt so much pride at stake here . on this matter you are right in my opion?